HG/SS improvement for you IV breeders

[DeezeNuts]

Originally Posted by RudolphMilotic

Hmm, I'm off-topic again...

Mission sucessfull

On-topic: So what does the Macho Brace do when breeding?

[Nevando]

Originally Posted by Falkner_Chiaki

Battleground is 5 trainers a day at most and it's not guaranteed to even be that many (I've had as few as 2 on some days). VS. Seeker only can exploit certain trainers and doesn't always work either.

Battleground is 4 trainers [around the levels 60-65] a day versus 16 trainers a week [around the levels of 50-60]?

Sure, you could mess around with the time of your DS to call the gym leaders whenever. Oh wait you can change Platinums time to get more fights with the higher level Pokeymans. Oh noes.

I don't really see where the Pokégear Phone nerdgasm is coming from. VS Seeker has access to a lot more trainers. The phone is incredibly limited.

[Blazaking EX]

Originally Posted by Ryuutakesh!

And the best part... apparently you can now fly to the Indigo Plateau from anywhere in Johto. Or at least New Bark Town. Which helps.

Yup, you can fly from anywhere in Johto and Kanto.

And not only that, but, you also have Fly access to all the cities in Kanto and Johto at the same time when at the Plateau or outside Victory Road.

[Booker]

Originally Posted by Nevando

Battleground is 4 trainers [around the levels 60-65] a day versus 16 trainers a week [around the levels of 50-60]?

(21> real number <28) per week, need to do some math :P

[Fairy Red]

Originally Posted by DeezeNuts

Mission sucessfull

On-topic: So what does the Macho Brace do when breeding?

I would hope the Macho Brace would be as useful as the other power items. Maybe it passes down ALL good IVs...or not, I don't know. -shrug-

Originally Posted by Nevando

Sure, you could mess around with the time of your DS to call the gym leaders whenever. Oh wait you can change Platinums time to get more fights with the higher level Pokeymans. Oh noes.

I don't really see where the Pokégear Phone nerdgasm is coming from. VS Seeker has access to a lot more trainers. The phone is incredibly limited.

This, so very much. With that useful IV breeding trick in HGSS, one can trade over to their Platinum for Battlegroundage. And even then, there are a few EV trainers one can battle over and over again via VS Seeker. Add that with random trainers who appear in Platinum Pokemon Centers, Platinum is a better place for training than HGSS Elite 4.

[Nevando]

Originally Posted by Booker

(21> real number <28) per week, need to do some math :P

I'm kinda confused what you mean by this

[Envoy]

Originally Posted by Fairy Red

This, so very much. With that useful IV breeding trick in HGSS, one can trade over to their Platinum for Battlegroundage. And even then, there are a few EV trainers one can battle over and over again via VS Seeker. Add that with random trainers who appear in Platinum Pokemon Centers, Platinum is a better place for training than HGSS Elite 4.

Actually, I think training between Platinum and HGSS is kinda balanced out (I'm not even going to bring DP into this)

The Battleground gives you (up to) 4 trainers a day. The phone gives you sixteen trainers a week. Considering that you can battle each of the Tojho leaders as many times as you want within the given timeframe, you can possibly get more experience a week from the HGSS leaders than the Platinum leaders. Conversely, the Sinnoh leaders are stronger. However, one must take into account that while the Sinnoh leaders are tougher, the Tojho leaders have more Pokemon. Moreover, Green/Blue is the toughest leader of them all, with a full roster of six Pokemon, some suprassing level 70.

Regardless of the limitations the phone may or may not bring (not getting into that one), EV training is still very viable with HGSS as some trainers are still quite handy at giving out specific EVs for each stat. This is becuase most of the trainers you can battle will have good EV training teams, concetrating on either one stat, or two, usually compatible, stats (such as Sp. Atk and Spe, excellent for training a Special sweeper.) Conversely, the VS Seeker does allow for these "EV trainer" matches as well. Sure, the phone may give HGSS players a bit of an issue with the time constraints, but it's really a minor setback and doesn't make EV training wholly impossible at all.

Finally, there's the Elite 4. While it is true that the Sinnoh Elite are stronger than the Tojho Elite, the fact is that (just like with the leaders) the latter trainers have more Pokemon than the former. The lower levels may actually serve as an advantage in this case, as it'll mean that a single Pokemon can solo them sooner than their counterparts. Because lets face it, once your Pokemon reaches level 70, the PokeCenter trainers and the VS Seeker rematches become less and less efficient ways to trian. After the the Pokemon reach a certainl level (like 70-75,) the only real viable training locations one has are the Elites and the Trainer house.

In short, both games are highly competent at EV training and when it comes to leader/Elite rematches, they balance out (Sinnoh's are stronger, but Tojho has more Pokes.)

[DeezeNuts]

What the fuch is Tojho, unless you are purposely mispelling Johto for reasons unknown

[$aturn¥oshi]

Originally Posted by DeezeNuts

What the fuch is Tojho, unless you are purposely mispelling Johto for reasons unknown

It's the stretch of land between Kanto and Johto, but that user is refering to Johto...

[Envoy]

Originally Posted by $aturn¥oshi

It's the stretch of land between Kanto and Johto, but that user is refering to Johto...

Yes, you're right in that it's the stretch of land between Kanto and Johto, but I'm deliberately misusing it to refer to both regions instead. It is easier than writing Kanto and Johto everytime I talk about both of them.

[$aturn¥oshi]

Okay, I see it now. Carry on.

[Ryuutakesh!]

Originally Posted by Envoy

Yes, you're right in that it's the stretch of land between Kanto and Johto, but I'm deliberately misusing it to refer to both regions instead. It is easier than writing Kanto and Johto everytime I talk about both of them.

smart.

[Marcus_Chiaki]

Some people also used "Tohjo" to refer to the landmass that both Kanto and Johto sit on (ie: "Tohjo Continent")

[RudolphMilotic]

Originally Posted by Envoy

However, one must take into account that while the Sinnoh leaders are tougher, the Tojho leaders have more Pokemon. Moreover, Green/Blue is the toughest leader of them all, with a full roster of six Pokemon, some suprassing level 70.

One Pokémon more per team isn't that much. And still, what makes the phone less convenient for me is the day-time restrictions. Sure, I can battle Green like 20 consecutive times (what a dull, boring process fighting only the same Gym Leader over and over within a given timeframe, but whatever), but then I'll have to schedule the training of my Pokémon. I don't want to resort to things like tampering with the DS clock either because that defeats the purpose of the phone (and it's somewhat lame), even when HGSS don't have time-related restrictions if you're migrating Pokémon via Pal Park.

About EV training I don't even use the Vs. Seeker to accomplish that, although a lot of people seem to enjoy it so I guess it makes a good work in that regard. I prefer to chain Pokémon with the Poké Radar or just going around a route or cave and defeat Pokémon.

Originally Posted by Envoy

Because lets face it, once your Pokemon reaches level 70, the PokeCenter trainers and the VS Seeker rematches become less and less efficient ways to trian. After the the Pokemon reach a certainl level (like 70-75,) the only real viable training locations one has are the Elites and the Trainer house.

I don't have problems leveling up my Lv. 93 shiny Tyranitar, for example, with either the Pokémon Center trainers or the Vs. Seeker matches, perhaps because he isn't the only Pokémon I'm training and sometimes I just fight the trainers while I'm doing other things like raising happiness, flying to water berries or waiting for the Underground's hikers to update their inventory of trade items. In fact, I don't raise most of my Pokémon above Lv. 50 because of the auto-level feature of Wi-Fi battles, PBR Lv. 50 All rule, the Frontier adjustment, official tournaments going with that and most of all, my local friends playing at that level: since Generation III is not anymore a primary need for my 'competitive' teams, actually.

So in the end, both the PokéGear and the Vs. Seeker/Battleground have their good points and drawbacks; I just don't like the fact that HGSS rematches are time-depending, and overall so are HGSS.