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    I want them BW2 Move Tutors back, they had some badass moves. Also, yes, please make some Fairy-moves available by Tutor.

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    Dragon Dance in the move tutor, maybe, just maybe, Flygon can learn it if it's in the move tutor.

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    I don't mind if all the past move tutors returned....except for Seismic Toss.

    We can now breed Seismic Toss onto Chansey via Mawile. I'd rather not have Seismic Toss Kangaskhan be a common thing. Sure, regular Kangaskhan may hit harder against low defense Pokemon, but what's the point in being a wall when Parental Bond M-Khan can basically 2HKO with absolutely no investment in offense?

    Or change Parental Bond's mechanics.

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    In particular, I'm really hoping that Counter is brought back as a tutor move. I'd like to see some moves added, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage View Post
    I don't mind if all the past move tutors returned....except for Seismic Toss.

    We can now breed Seismic Toss onto Chansey via Mawile. I'd rather not have Seismic Toss Kangaskhan be a common thing. Sure, regular Kangaskhan may hit harder against low defense Pokemon, but what's the point in being a wall when Parental Bond M-Khan can basically 2HKO with absolutely no investment in offense?

    Or change Parental Bond's mechanics.
    Make the second hit have 25% or 33% the power of the first hit. This would work the same with Seismic Toss, resulting in a deduction of 125 of 133 HP for anyfin hit by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    Make the second hit have 25% or 33% the power of the first hit. This would work the same with Seismic Toss, resulting in a deduction of 125 of 133 HP for anyfin hit by it.
    The second hit already has 50% of the first hit, and Seismic Toss still does full damage both times. They should just make things with set damage hit once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixon View Post
    Honestly, I don't get the point of (some) move tutors... I don't see why they should exist at all... (Not to hurt your feelings, move tutors.)

    But seriously, when you think about it, all a move tutor is is non-portable TM.
    (Excluding the move tutors that ask for shards/BP and teach a move in exchange for them... THOSE move tutors should exist.) But the idea of "free" move tutors is pretty pointless. Why don't they just make them TMs? The only difference is the annoying aspect of having to go to that certain guy's house EVERY SINGLE TIME. I just don't get it... (Honestly, I want someone to explain this to me....)
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    Anyway, seeing as HGSS, as well as FRLG had move tutors although the originals didn't, it would make sense for ORAS to as well. As you may have noticed, I'm not a big fan of move tutors, so I'm not really sure what specific moves they should teach. But PLEASE don't make them free tutors. If you're planning on making free tutors, make the TMs instead, please GF. PLEASE.
    Aside from the usual Frenzy Plant/Blast Burn/Hydro Cannon/Draco Meteor, when was the last time Move Tutors were free, Emerald? They probably won't be.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoldStarz View Post
    It'd be nice if they gave Fairy types, y'know, Fairy-type moves instead of having to rely strictly on TMs for that.
    Well, the problem is that there's a limited number of Fairy type moves right now, and it'll probably take a generation or two before there's a decent amount of them (recall that several types like Bug and Dragon had this problem until 3rd/4th gen). In the meantime, I think several Pokemon could use at least one or two more Fairy moves, at least on lower levels. It's pretty ridiculous, for example, that the only Fairy type move Azumarill learns is Play Rough at Lv. 50, they should at least give it something like Draining Kiss or Fairy Wind at lower levels. I shouldn't have to wait until Lv. 50 before I can start taking advantage of its Fairy type.

    I'd definitely like to see one or two Fairy type moves, maybe Fairy Wind and Moonblast.

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    I think Parabolic Charge should be one of those tutor moves. It had a very narrow distribution, with only the Helioptile and Dedenne lines having access to it.

    Although many Electric-types are frail and can be OHKO'd by Earthquake and other powerful attacks, there are quite a few bulky Electric-types (Rotom's formes, Zapdos, Ampharos) that can use this move effectively.

    If anything else, I want Ampharos to learn this move so its Mega form can access one of the few things that is holding it back competitively: lack of good recovery.

    As for learn-up moves, I think Sceptile should be able to learn Dragon Pulse. Also, Diancie and the Amaura line should learn Power Gem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos King View Post
    I think Parabolic Charge should be one of those tutor moves. It had a very narrow distribution, with only the Helioptile and Dedenne lines having access to it.

    Although many Electric-types are frail and can be OHKO'd by Earthquake and other powerful attacks, there are quite a few bulky Electric-types (Rotom's formes, Zapdos, Ampharos) that can use this move effectively.

    If anything else, I want Ampharos to learn this move so its Mega form can access one of the few things that is holding it back competitively: lack of good recovery.

    As for learn-up moves, I think Sceptile should be able to learn Dragon Pulse. Also, Diancie and the Amaura line should learn Power Gem.
    ^^this so much!!!

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    If they could bring back all a bunch of the move tutor moves from BW2, I'd be pretty happy. I'd especially like if moves that were TMs in Gen III but aren't anymore (like Iron Tail) were made available. In addition, I'd like for the elemental punches to be made available early on. Um...not sure what else. Especially want Outrage for the Salamence I'm planning to get. Preferably, it'd be best if all the move tutors were to be available before the Pokemon League (earlier and easier to use the better).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GoldStarz View Post
    It'd be nice if they gave Fairy types, y'know, Fairy-type moves instead of having to rely strictly on TMs for that.
    Well, the problem is that there's a limited number of Fairy type moves right now, and it'll probably take a generation or two before there's a decent amount of them (recall that several types like Bug and Dragon had this problem until 3rd/4th gen). In the meantime, I think several Pokemon could use at least one or two more Fairy moves, at least on lower levels. It's pretty ridiculous, for example, that the only Fairy type move Azumarill learns is Play Rough at Lv. 50, they should at least give it something like Draining Kiss or Fairy Wind at lower levels. I shouldn't have to wait until Lv. 50 before I can start taking advantage of its Fairy type.

    I'd definitely like to see one or two Fairy type moves, maybe Fairy Wind and Moonblast.
    Adding Fairy-type moves was implied.

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    THIS is one thing I am really hoping for. Being the numbskull that I am, I transported a lot of my good, EV-trained Pokemon from White before I taught them good moves in White 2. Now they're stuck with sucky, basic moves with a few cool egg moves here and there. XD This would also be the perfect time to teach my Pokemon exclusive to X some great moves, as well.

    I am also really hoping for some good Fairy-type moves to be introduced. I am keeping my fingers crossed for Moonblast!


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    I don't know if Game Freak would make Moonblast a tutor move, though. Most of the Pokemon that can learn Moonblast are Fairy-type and/or connected to the moon somehow. Not even the Jigglypuff line has this move in its arsenal (though strangely the Altaria line does).

    I think its limited distribution is the reason why Moonblast has a higher BP than Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, or Flamethrower. Broadening its access could only make Game Freak decide to weaken the move next gen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos King View Post
    Broadening its access could only make Game Freak decide to weaken the move next gen.
    I don't see a problem with that. You act if the 5 points were significant.

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    Not even sure what uses Moon Blast that much. The top-tier fairies are either things like Mawile or Azumarill and use Play Rough, or have Pixilate and Hyper Voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage View Post
    Not even sure what uses Moon Blast that much. The top-tier fairies are either things like Mawile or Azumarill and use Play Rough, or have Pixilate and Hyper Voice.
    Every other special Fairy that learns Moonblast and doesn't have Pixilate Hyper Voice uses Moonblast. (Well, maybe not Whimsicott and Carbink since they are usually used for support.) Clefable, Xerneas, Florges, Aromatisse and then Diancie will when it's released. Cresselia often runs it in RU too, but that isn't a Fairy (sadly :/).

    If we're talking Smogon's tiers, then Xerneas is a top dog in Ubers and Clefable is really good in OU (I'd say that Clefable is a bigger threat in OU than Sylveon tbh). Florges is top UU and Aromatisse is top RU.

    Tbh Moonblast should have been 110 like Fire Blast, Hydro Pump and Dazzling Gleam should have been 90 like Flamethrower, Thunderbolt.

    I don't want Fairy tutors for anything really. Except maybe Play Rough, since that's given a wide distribution already, and I'd like to see Chesnaught, Pangoro, Weavile, etc able to learn it.

    Edit: Togekiss would like Moonblast, but I think they avoided that due to Serene Grace. Which is silly given Air Slash has an arguably worse effect.

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