To what degree was Johto flawed? - Page 8

Page 8 of 15 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast
Results 106 to 120 of 219
Like Tree114Likes

Thread: To what degree was Johto flawed?

  1. #106
    Registered User The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    28,646
    Blog Entries
    49

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Johto's length was a problem, but its really what actually happened (or didn't happen?) in it that was the real issue.
    Rex Kamex likes this.

  2. #107
    Bonded Forever Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Gender
    Female
    Location
    Cerulean Gym, missing Ash and Brock
    Posts
    390
    Blog Entries
    24

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    It wasn't flawed at all, in fact, the only episode I really didn't like was Hoenn Alone (god that was terrible), but then, I almost can't consider it a Johto episode so much as a branch between advanced and Master quest. Things did happen in Johto, and even though it had fillers, they were all awesome! Illusion Confusion, The Poke Spokes Man, Sick Daze, etc. were all top episodes.

  3. #108
    Moderator Hidden Mew's Avatar Forum Head
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Gender
    Female
    Location
    Somewhere dreaming forever
    Posts
    4,213

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain View Post
    It wasn't flawed at all, in fact, the only episode I really didn't like was Hoenn Alone (god that was terrible), but then, I almost can't consider it a Johto episode so much as a branch between advanced and Master quest. Things did happen in Johto, and even though it had fillers, they were all awesome! Illusion Confusion, The Poke Spokes Man, Sick Daze, etc. were all top episodes.
    I liked Johto too and most of the filler episodes were entertaining, but I wouldn't say that it wasn't flawed at all. The pacing was pretty bad and they could have done a better job with his Johto Pokemon as a whole.

  4. #109
    Bonded Forever Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Gender
    Female
    Location
    Cerulean Gym, missing Ash and Brock
    Posts
    390
    Blog Entries
    24

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    The pacing wasn't the best but it doesn't have much to do with the quality itself

  5. #110
    Registered User The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    28,646
    Blog Entries
    49

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain View Post
    The pacing wasn't the best but it doesn't have much to do with the quality itself
    Yes it does. So many of those tedious filler episodes were only created simply to extend Johto's length till the R/S games came out. Those episodes had absolutely no thought or effort put into them whatsoever, which is what made the saga suffer in quality.

  6. #111
    Bonded Forever Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Gender
    Female
    Location
    Cerulean Gym, missing Ash and Brock
    Posts
    390
    Blog Entries
    24

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain View Post
    The pacing wasn't the best but it doesn't have much to do with the quality itself
    Yes it does. So many of those tedious filler episodes were only created simply to extend Johto's length till the R/S games came out. Those episodes had absolutely no thought or effort put into them whatsoever, which is what made the saga suffer in quality.
    They did have effort put into them, I don't know about you, but I can see they really tried. And what do you mean there was no thought? Each one had something to offer.

  7. #112
    Moderator Hidden Mew's Avatar Forum Head
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Gender
    Female
    Location
    Somewhere dreaming forever
    Posts
    4,213

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain View Post
    The pacing wasn't the best but it doesn't have much to do with the quality itself
    I don't see why the pacing wouldn't have anything to do with the quality of the arc itself. While most of the filler episodes weren't that bad for me, it did make the pacing move at a pretty slow rate and that impacted the saga's overall quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    Yes it does. So many of those tedious filler episodes were only created simply to extend Johto's length till the R/S games came out. Those episodes had absolutely no thought or effort put into them whatsoever, which is what made the saga suffer in quality.
    I don't think that those episode had no thought or effort put into them. Regardless of the quality, it does take time and effort for writers to create an episode for a weekly long-running series.

  8. #113
    Face of mercy? NOPE Yato's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Anywhere
    Posts
    6,663
    Blog Entries
    435

    Follow Yato on Tumblr

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    The episodes could've been more relevant to the games, tbh. Youngster Joey anyone? Getting medicine for a sick Denryu all across the ocean? Curing a sick Miltank? Meeting Bill again?

  9. #114
    Moderator Hidden Mew's Avatar Forum Head
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Gender
    Female
    Location
    Somewhere dreaming forever
    Posts
    4,213

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry View Post
    The episodes could've been more relevant to the games, tbh. Youngster Joey anyone? Getting medicine for a sick Denryu all across the ocean? Curing a sick Miltank? Meeting Bill again?
    I'm pretty sure that they did get medicine for the sick Ampharos. I think it was one of the trainers from Jasmine's Gym that got it instead of Ash and it was in the opening of where Ash battles Chuck. Incorporating more of the events from the games like that might have helped a bit, but not a lot of them sound like something that could full up a whole episode.

  10. #115
    Face of mercy? NOPE Yato's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Anywhere
    Posts
    6,663
    Blog Entries
    435

    Follow Yato on Tumblr

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry View Post
    The episodes could've been more relevant to the games, tbh. Youngster Joey anyone? Getting medicine for a sick Denryu all across the ocean? Curing a sick Miltank? Meeting Bill again?
    I'm pretty sure that they did get medicine for the sick Ampharos. I think it was one of the trainers from Jasmine's Gym that got it instead of Ash and it was in the opening of where Ash battles Chuck. Incorporating more of the events from the games like that might have helped a bit, but not a lot of them sound like something that could full up a whole episode.
    Yeah. I meant, having Ash go all the way across the ocean to get the medicine, battle Chuck, get the badge, and then come back to Olivine and battle Jasmine.

    If most of the episodes had been based more on the games, then it would've been less tedious to watch. People would've enjoyed the series better instead have the feeling they're enduring it. Fillers can be fun on their own, but including more details of the games in the episodes would've helped a lot. "Oh, yeah! I remember there was a place like that in the games!", "So that guy is actually the school boy on route 00?", "I knew the rocks in that town weren't there for no reason!".

    Or, "What, so this place was actually in the games? I'd gotta check that out sometime!"

    More positive reactions could be drawn from the viewers than negative ones.

    The anime is based on the games anyways, so having more connection between the two would've given the anime a boost, since back then, we were all kids who actually played the games as well.

  11. #116
    Moderator Hidden Mew's Avatar Forum Head
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Gender
    Female
    Location
    Somewhere dreaming forever
    Posts
    4,213

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry View Post
    Yeah. I meant, having Ash go all the way across the ocean to get the medicine, battle Chuck, get the badge, and then come back to Olivine and battle Jasmine.
    Unless Ash was stuck there, I don't think he would battle Chuck before giving the medicine to Jasmine. Plus, they wouldn't have the Whirl Islands arc. Honestly, I wasn't a huge fan of that arc, although the episodes with Team Rocket trying to get Lugia were pretty good and there were a couple of decent fillers in there, and the Whirl Cup wasn't particularly good either, but I was okay with waiting awhile until Ash got back to Olivine to battle Jasmine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry
    If most of the episodes had been based more on the games, then it would've been less tedious to watch. People would've enjoyed the series better instead have the feeling they're enduring it. Fillers can be fun on their own, but including more details of the games in the episodes would've helped a lot. "Oh, yeah! I remember there was a place like that in the games!", "So that guy is actually the school boy on route 00?", "I knew the rocks in that town weren't there for no reason!".

    Or, "What, so this place was actually in the games? I'd gotta check that out sometime!"

    More positive reactions could be drawn from the viewers than negative ones.

    The anime is based on the games anyways, so having more connection between the two would've given the anime a boost, since back then, we were all kids who actually played the games as well.
    It wouldn't have hurt if they had been able to use some of the events from the games to create some episodes for the series. Given how long they needed Johto to be and there are some events from the games that probably couldn't have worked for a full episode, I can understand why they didn't go that route in a way.

  12. #117
    Face of mercy? NOPE Yato's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Anywhere
    Posts
    6,663
    Blog Entries
    435

    Follow Yato on Tumblr

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    @Hidden Mew; Yes, they couldn't have made every single episode based on the games - but likewise, the anime team didn't have to make up the majority of the episodes by themselves when the games provided more than enough events for them to use. I'm not saying everything had to be based on the games. The majority of the fillers had nothing to do with the games anyways, so instead of pointless fillers where people can't connect or sympathize with, incorporating some events from the games once in a while would've been refreshing.

  13. #118
    Registered User The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    28,646
    Blog Entries
    49

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    If you cut out a good 60 episodes out of Johto, you are left with a halfway decent arc otherwise. Still wouldn't change the way the Johto Pokemon were handled, or the lack of development though.

  14. #119
    Registered User CliveKoopa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Coventry, United Kingdom
    Posts
    331
    Add CliveKoopa on Facebook
    Visit CliveKoopa's Youtube Channel

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    Johto wasn't flawed at all in anyway more or less than any of the other sagas. I think that Johto had many great episodes and it showed the pokemon world for what it is and that it wasn't just about gym leaders.

  15. #120
    Registered User The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    28,646
    Blog Entries
    49

    Default Re: To what degree was Johto flawed?

    The Johto seasons were handled very badly to the point where it felt like the writers weren't sure what to do with Shudo being gone. I wonder if there was some behind the scenes rule that they couldn't develop Ash's Johto Pokemon or Misty/Brock in a way while Shudo was still more or less around, depending on what he would do.

Page 8 of 15 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •