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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

    I really do think the target audience does matter in how the show is written. Like take for example Spongebob which everyone of all audiences enjoy. I mean you cant be a 17 year old and watch Spongebob and expect to see Emmy - award winning, smart, intriguing, mature dialogue. You'd be insane if you thought you would.

    And I wouldn't really call Kanto mature. They probably got rid of the slapstick comedy because 4kids might've complained about the violence.

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    I feel as though Kanto through middle Johto was meant for everyone to enjoy, older audiences included. I was just watching some early Kanto episodes and I notice how much more entertaining they were in comparison to some of the newer episodes. Maybe it was the fact it was written almost 15 years ago, but it seemed pretty funny yet deep at the same time. Now, it seems as though they are focusing more on things that will grab a little kid's attention (essentially more Pokemon Battles and less comedy).


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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

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    There's one big mistake in your way of thinking. Since when has violence been a criterion how mature a show is? Shouldn't it rather be things like character development, dialoges, well thought-out plots, interesting motifs and epic scenes?
    Please don't get me wrong, it's because of people like you who consider Ben 10 etc. mature due to its level of violence that I said we better not compare Pokemon with all that mainstream crap. Most of those shows are dull, shallow and lack any maturity. In short, they're just downright silly!
    Now Pokemon is different! You might argue that children can also watch it and I don't want to deny that. But the actual message I've always wanted to convey when I brought up this topic is different. I'll repeat it here once again and I'll refer to it in future threads, should this problem arise again.

    This is my opinion on the whole "children's show or not?"-controversy:
    Pokemon is a universal cartoon, meaning that it's intended for all generations including kids. But only as an adult will you finally be able to understand its message and themes completely and thus be able to enjoy it to the fullest.

    (Yes, you could say that in some way I want to "protect" Pokemon from little kids' ignorance because it's too precious to waste it on people who don't understand it properly)
    I realize there are things many older fans of Pokemon will appreciate in the show and it really is a darn great show that everyone should watch. But, that doesn't change the fact it was made with a family friendly child audience in mind. There's no need to "protect" Pokemon from kids, because it's not meant to be "protected" the concepts in this show were made for children. Whether Ben 10 or Tom and Jerry lack any maturity doesn't matter, because they were made for children too. Episodes like the Ducklett stealing Ash's hat, Sandile's glasses, and Cilan's cookware is almost exactly something out of Tom and Jerry. It's not rocket science, your not giving the young children and young adolescents of today enough credit. Underestimating your audience is exactly something that people shouldn't do. But, the show Pokemon is for kids either way and was intended for them.

    Take a look at Hayao Miyazaki's and Pixar's movies like Ponyo, Spirited Away, Cars, and Toy Story. They were made with a Family friendly idea in mind. The idea of Environmentalism, Love, Pacifism, Flight, Politics, Feminism, childhood and adolescent, and Water.

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    Miyazaki has said a lot of strong things and shown a lot of feeling about childhood, saying that it's a time when "you're protected by your parents and unaware of the problems around you". His views of children in the modern world are a bit woresome he wonders about their obsession with the "virtual world" and the lack of contact with the natural world. Because of this, he creates his films inspired by children near himself, with an aim to "understand their world"

    All of Miyazaki's films are populated by female leads that go against gender roles common in Japanese animation and fiction, from pirate captains to industrialists. Even in lighter films such as Kiki's Delivery Service, all of the leading characters are professional women such as artists (Ursula), bakers (Osono), fashion-designers (Maki) and witches (Kiki and Kokiri).

    Even in Toy Story 3 the guys at Pixar are hinting toward an older audience with references like the boy who was in the first two being a grown adult now and going to college along with other things like references most children wouldn't get. If we're going by the logic of it all, the older fans who were children at the time, literally "grew-up" with the lead of the show.

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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

    I think it's a show meant for kids, but the writers know about the broader demographic and try to appeal to a bigger audience.

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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

    IMO, the PokeAni succeeds as a show for its demographic - Youngsters in Japan. And anime-writers in Japan hold much higher stock to their kids - some even allowing fanservice, some vulgarity, etc. What Americans would be consider too vulgar is completely passable in Japan.

    The PokeAni different from shows like Digimon that constantly rehash its characters and add nostalgia cookies and references in the later series to give a nod to older fans. The PokeAni at its core is a show for kids, older audiences and etc. be damned. That doesn't mean possibly mature aspects of the show are nonexistent, but simply not the show's demographic. It is supposed to appeal to little kids and make them buy merchandise. Within that spectrum of course more mature themes may be applied, to keep interest in the show and its products - such as Hunter J dying, the whole Ginga-dan arc, etc. etc.

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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

    From my experience with kids, they don't need every little detail spoonfed to them when watching something; instead, they tend to embrace what they don't know and actually become more interested in things that test their knowledge.

    But yeah....

    Pokemon is the type of show that's geared towards children, without a doubt. But it's also not geared only towards children, either. The only reason it seems like it's geared mainly at the younger audience is because the anime standards have changed, bringing in new, more "gore-y" shows that people have concluded are aimed at older kids, which lowered Pokemon's "maturity" in people's minds.

    The dialogue in Pokemon isn't dumbed down, either, but they are oftentimes simplified; things like that have the best chance of dragging in watchers of different ages, since it's least likely to limit viewers. If it were more mature, some of the younger viewers won't get it. If it were a little more simplified, aka how it is right now, will that limit adults or kids from being able to understand? No. That won't limit anyone from understanding a thing, making it the best choice.
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    There was a change in tone in the show once Shudo stopped having his way somewhere around early Johto. This is why Johto did NOT have Kanto's clever writing or fun filler plots, but instead turned into a, "Let's help Johto COTD's with their problems!" show.

    Johto was geared for children. It was dumbed down writing wise from the high quality Kanto and Orange in every way. I can't even defend the original series simply because of what Johto did to the anime. It wasn't until we got into "Master Quest" that Johto started to redeem itself, but by then it was too late.

    So yeah, when Shudo stepped down, the show was also dumbed down for kids.

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    Pokemon anime is without a doubt kids TV show but it can be annotated as show for all generations too having its charms which older audience could find appealing,

    Maybe it doesnt have doze of maturity which older viewers are used to get,some especially deep and complicated plot and well thought out storyline with game breaking moments but it does provide from time to time some creative writing in which all kind of generations could enjoy,funny and witty humor and deep character development in certain cases.It also teaches kids about real life lessons and moral values through exposure of friendship between characters,dedication toward some things even if it involves sacrifice,learning how to be humble and honest etc.
    Things like Ash and Pauls rivalry,Hunter J supposed death,arcs like Red Gyarados,Sabrina gym,movies about Mewtwo,some deep components in main characters development which involve real life dangers and emotional breakdowns are signs how sometimes you can get deep and well thought out storyline reaching beyond target audience effectively providing things on table so that all generations could find reasons for which they could watch this show.

    Granted earlier seasons like Kanto had different style of writing,more expressed humor with several things passing under radar which would never happen now-days but thats not ti say new series doesnt have sometimes darker than usual moments in anime plot too.
    Some things were toned down,other aspects were increased with pokemon anime always being family oriented TV show which is geared primarily for children but also teenagers,adults and everyone who enjoys in it giving to everyone something.

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    Yet Kanto's violence and physical contact was toned down by the time Johto began.
    Kanto violence and slapstick humor disappeared at end of same region not being used in Orange Islands,Johto,Hoenn and onwards.Point is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    There was a change in tone in the show once Shudo stopped having his way somewhere around early Johto. This is why Johto did NOT have Kanto's clever writing or fun filler plots, but instead turned into a, "Let's help Johto COTD's with their problems!" show.
    Every saga had its share of fillers which revolved around COTD and problems with his pokemon.Johto had quality writing in several episodes too bringing humor,good character development and advancement of plot.

    There were bad episodes but there were also great ones with some parts pf Johto being cleverly written.
    Do i even need to say how when mr,Shudo stopped doing construction for original series Ash traveling companions like Misty and Brock finally started receiving more focus with something being done with their goals and stories which was certainly welcomed thing with Master Quest making notable step forward.

    There is often common misconception about "majority of Johto being fillers".Out of 158 episodes around 65 were fillers where nothing important to plot happened.

    Johto was geared for children.
    And other sagas arent?

    It wasn't until we got into "Master Quest" that Johto started to redeem itself, but by then it was too late.
    You kinda contradicted yourself in here.,If Master Quest repaired Johto mistakes with quality of writing increasing than it wasnt too late since flaws were repaired with "damage" which was done being erased.

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    This is not a thread about the filler status of any of the sagas. Please refrain from discussing that in this thread, and stick to the topic at hand.

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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

    Its basically a show meant for kids aged between 8 to 12..
    Basically, a show for ages 3 to 7, doesnt have violence at all and people above 13 like mature shows ..well atleast shows which have some depth, violence and even romance..
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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

    While it does occasionally include elements that might go over children's heads, bear in mind that a lot of children's shows do that. Mostly because they are written knowing that many parents watch their kid's shows with them.

    The slightly more complex plots and ideas do make it more enjoyable though. Having said that, to me it is certainly a children's show. But I enjoy it anyway, and so don't really care about that :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex Kamex View Post
    About Dawn and her confidence... is there something I'm missing? I haven't seen every contest episode of Dawn, but from what I've gathered that whole thing about her confidence is just "I'm gonna win contests... aw rats, I keep losing... I suck at this." It provided plot and all, but I never understood why that whole storyline was so extra special.
    I thought it was a little deeper than what we usually see in Pokémon... the main girl being depressed for a nice amount of eps and works hard to get over this depression and fix her mistakes, rather than a everything being ok by the end of the same ep where the depression started
    Seeing Dawn hold her mom's ribbon and cry in bed after her second failure really did make you feel something (well, at least to me it did) and I'm not sure all young kids will think too much about this or feel anything from it... (well, depending on who you're talking about, there ARE some smart kids, some of which are even smarter than some adults... so it's kind of an individual thing)
    It also makes you think about the pressure Dawn might feel being the daughter of a Top Coordinator, like she needs to live up to her...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    There was a change in tone in the show once Shudo stopped having his way somewhere around early Johto.
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    That's only your crazy biased opinion and is NOT a fact at all, like you and everyone else here already know... so yeah... try better next time
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    If it wasn't a kids show I doubt we will ever hear the greatest line in Pokemon history :P

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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

    I'd have to agree with Gliscor'd. You can definitely notice a change in the style, writing, etc, by the time we got to the second season of Johto. It seemed less 'magical' and more 'tedious' in that each episode had a relatively similar formula. I think that's what drew older audiences away, the fact that all of the episodes seemed the same and you weren't missing out on much. I haven't watched a good majority of Johto, and I can still figure out what happens (not good for a series that appeals to a broad audience).


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    Default Re: Is the Pokémon Anime a children's show, or is there more to it than that?

    I'm of the opinion that yes, it is a kid's show, but it's not a show just for kids. While the majority of those watching the show are probably, in fact, young kids, Pokemon also has quite a large fanbase comprised of older fans. It's not so much that the writers try to gear it towards all ages, since the older fans aren't in the target audience, but rather it's the fact that they don't dumb it down too much, making it a show that anyone can enjoy regardless of age.
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