You CANNOT have it both ways. Obviously some of you have a difference in opinion over Iris' abilities, and how they're seemingly "glorified" which I don't even get the feel that they're being treated in such a way.
Here, you say:
But then this person says:Originally Posted by Shinneth
and again here:Originally Posted by Wolverine
So clearly everyone doesn't feel the same way about the level of her skills. You can't have it both ways with her. Either Iris has all the necessary skills to become a dragon master RIGHT NOW, or she doesn't.Originally Posted by Wolverine
I never said that her ability to read dragons was irrelevant to her goal. I don't think it's hyped in the manner that it makes it easy for her to just take ANY dragon pokemon and just master it. It's used in the context of, she can connect with dragons personally and understand their emotions, stuff like that...I don't think it completely simplifies her training either, because if it did, then she'd have no troubles working with Axew. I personally think that over-exaggerating her dragon-reading skills would be something like her claiming that she can instantly master a dragon pokemon like Zekrom, or Reshiram. That's overhyped skills if you ask me.Originally Posted by Shinneth
I don't agree, and I think that's a gross exaggeration and misinterpretation of the problems that have been presented with her. I don't know WHY you all go out of your way on this crusade to seemingly use everything that's been thrown at her and try to use that as ammunition to justify putting the blame on everyone else BUT Iris just to justify your claims that's she's this seemingly perfect "mary-sue" of a character with piss poor development. Just because no one at the moment is currently available to chastise or knock down Iris for her flaws on a regular basis for the sake of character development, doesn't mean that she hasn't taken responsibility for ANY of her shortcomings.Originally Posted by Wolverine
Have we already forgotten about how Iris and Excadrill fell out? You people (you know who you are) will say, "Oh, Excadrill felt bad because he wanted to do good in battle for Iris against Drayden's Haxorus, and it let her down, blah blah some shit like that" And you throw ALL the blame on it instead, and just give Iris a slap on the wrist just to support your own pre-conceived notions about her.
In an attempt to take another spin on that subject, let's try a different approach to analyze that particular situation. Iris and Excadrill were on an impressive winning streak of 99 wins. I'm sure both of them were enthusiastic about the prospect of battling Drayden. Cilan objecting to Iris stating that Excadrill may not have like Iris' battle style wasn't the right thing to say IMO, because if that were the case then they wouldn't have built up such a long streak. Once in battle with Drayden and facing an seemigly overbearing foe, Excadrill may have internally known that was a battle it wasn't goint to win, but didn't want to give up giving Iris a false sense of feeling like it could go on to battle. But instead of recognizing how much he was struggling in the battle as opposed to their other matches, Iris misinterpreted Excadrill's feelings of not wanting to battle as a slight pushback, but with the hope that he could still pull through. I think that's what the issue was. So what did Iris lose from misunderstanding him? It cost her YEARS of trust, loyalty, and the satisfaction of being able to relate to or connect with him on a mental or emotional level.
But it does because...Originally Posted by ShinnethSo if Iris is already on such a high level of skill as a trainer, then she should be having NO difficulty training Axew, regardless of the nature of how "tough" it is to raise the dragon pokemon species. With all the "hype" surrounding her skills/abilities she should be able to bring Axew on her level. But Iris can't be THAT too far from Axew's level in skill (at least with Dragons). One, because a dragon pokemon wasn't her starter, and she hasn't been training with dragons all her life.the skills of the trainer doesn't equal the skill of the pokémon
There's a BIG difference between knowing how to DO something and actually DOING it. Iris displays a nice amount of knowledge on dragon pokemon and nature, stuff like that. But that knowledge hasn't led to a leap in the development of her skills. Allow me to give an example of that. It's like a trainer who has knowledge that specializes in raising and training pokemon, but isn't necessarily good a the sport of pokemon battling. Contrary to that would be a trainer who has knowledge that allows them to excel in pokemon battling, but isn't very good at the act of actually training or raising the pokemon.