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    I'm really kinda mixed on this one. I don't know. I do feel like he's been dragged out for too long, yet I will miss him when he leaves...I think it's for the best he is replaced at this point, though. He peaked in competence and in strength in DP (as much as I hated him there). There's really nothing more for him to do unless he manages to become a badass in X and Y, which I don't see happening.

    Now TRio, I could go into a page-long rant about why I want them gone, but that's another story for another day. ;)

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    Yes because he is selfish and will never be a "Pokemon Master". That sums the anime up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepig in a BBQ View Post
    The show would just feel weird without Ash. For me, the story is about him and the Pokémon he discovers.
    Still, the show is titled "Pokemon" not "Ash and Pika". Other long running shows with characters staying in the show for over 15 years (Detective CONAN, DORAEMON, SHIN-CHAN) are specifically titled and therefore, meant to be all about that one single character - thus, they can't be replaced.

    Pokemon can do without Ash. It's just the fact the anime will never replace him regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum Achromatic View Post
    Still, the show is titled "Pokemon" not "Ash and Pika". Other long running shows with characters staying in the show for over 15 years (Detective CONAN, DORAEMON, SHIN-CHAN) are specifically titled and therefore, meant to be all about that one single character - thus, they can't be replaced.

    Pokemon can do without Ash. It's just the fact the anime will never replace him regardless.
    Ash's name isn't in the title, but considering that every series has been focused on his journey with Pikachu and their friends for over fifteen years and he's still used for marketing purposes for the anime, I don't think it matters. He has been the main character for well over a decade. Ash isn't the face of the whole franchise, but he is one of the two faces used for the anime. Besides that, I don't think that the the anime could do without Ash due to how long he's been around and even the Pokemon Chronicles specials revolved around characters Ash had met during his travels or his friends, so they weren't breaking too far away from him. At this point, I don't think that Ash can be replaced.
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    Ash ain't going anywhere anytime soon lol. I don't think he should either.
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    Is it considered blasphemy if I call Ash Ketchum the Rodimus Prime of Pokemon...actually no, The Rodimus Prime of NINTENDO as a whole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoenn For Truvie View Post
    Yes because he is selfish and will never be a "Pokemon Master". That sums the anime up.
    I understand why this is written but to say he's selfish is a little overboard, don't you think?

    I don't think being a pokemon master will justify Ash being on the show or not. He can still be replaced by another boy who loses leagues and is basically a rookie. I guess I'm so used to him that it would seem strange to have him off after all this time. But if they wanted to replace him, then it's the writers decision. I rather not. I rather they have written Best Wishes much better than they did, instead of doing a OS/Johto type series with a depowered Pikachu that just came from busting legendaries and uber pokemon.

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    Default Re: Do you think Ash/Satoshi should be replaced?

    Do I think he should be replaced? Yes. He has gotten old, we need something new, fresh and exciting.
    Is he going to be replaced? Nope, because he's the icon of this anime along with Pikachu and the writers are afraid of writing him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caseydia View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoenn For Truvie View Post
    Yes because he is selfish and will never be a "Pokemon Master". That sums the anime up.
    I understand why this is written but to say he's selfish is a little overboard, don't you think?

    I don't think being a pokemon master will justify Ash being on the show or not. He can still be replaced by another boy who loses leagues and is basically a rookie. I guess I'm so used to him that it would seem strange to have him off after all this time. But if they wanted to replace him, then it's the writers decision. I rather not. I rather they have written Best Wishes much better than they did, instead of doing a OS/Johto type series with a depowered Pikachu that just came from busting legendaries and uber pokemon.
    That was Ash's Dream in the very first Episode of Pokemon, "I want to be a Pokemon Master", yet It was also referenced in some Episode of BW.
    I've been following Ash since the First Season and up to now, I have yet to see some progress. As for replacing him, we can all say that he should have been replaced a long time ago. If they really wanna replace Ash right now, they need to end his Story first then decide to make a new Protagonist that is NOT a 10 Year Old trainer with a Pikachu again.

    And yes I agree they should have written Best Wishes better because It was really disappointing to watch. Stale, nothing really interesting in each Episode. The fact that Pikachu feels underpowered in this Series made me want to stop watching Pokemon all together. Its like they don't care about Pikachu anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinalSynFrey View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoenn For Truvie View Post
    Yes because he is selfish and will never be a "Pokemon Master". That sums the anime up.
    I understand why this is written but to say he's selfish is a little overboard, don't you think?

    I don't think being a pokemon master will justify Ash being on the show or not. He can still be replaced by another boy who loses leagues and is basically a rookie. I guess I'm so used to him that it would seem strange to have him off after all this time. But if they wanted to replace him, then it's the writers decision. I rather not. I rather they have written Best Wishes much better than they did, instead of doing a OS/Johto type series with a depowered Pikachu that just came from busting legendaries and uber pokemon.
    That was Ash's Dream in the very first Episode of Pokemon, "I want to be a Pokemon Master", yet It was also referenced in some Episode of BW.
    I've been following Ash since the First Season and up to now, I have yet to see some progress. As for replacing him, we can all say that he should have been replaced a long time ago. If they really wanna replace Ash right now, they need to end his Story first then decide to make a new Protagonist that is NOT a 10 Year Old trainer with a Pikachu again.

    And yes I agree they should have written Best Wishes better because It was really disappointing to watch. Stale, nothing really interesting in each Episode. The fact that Pikachu feels underpowered in this Series made me want to stop watching Pokemon all together. Its like they don't care about Pikachu anymore.
    Ash has been 10 years old for more than 10 years now. It's like each two weeks in the Pokemon Anime is like a year in our time. And Pickachu is so annoying. He's arrogant as well and I think he's worse than Ash. I wish I could just say it but Pikachu is a D- word. Annoying. :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoenn For Truvie View Post
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    Yes because he is selfish and will never be a "Pokemon Master". That sums the anime up.
    I understand why this is written but to say he's selfish is a little overboard, don't you think?

    I don't think being a pokemon master will justify Ash being on the show or not. He can still be replaced by another boy who loses leagues and is basically a rookie. I guess I'm so used to him that it would seem strange to have him off after all this time. But if they wanted to replace him, then it's the writers decision. I rather not. I rather they have written Best Wishes much better than they did, instead of doing a OS/Johto type series with a depowered Pikachu that just came from busting legendaries and uber pokemon.
    That was Ash's Dream in the very first Episode of Pokemon, "I want to be a Pokemon Master", yet It was also referenced in some Episode of BW.
    I've been following Ash since the First Season and up to now, I have yet to see some progress. As for replacing him, we can all say that he should have been replaced a long time ago. If they really wanna replace Ash right now, they need to end his Story first then decide to make a new Protagonist that is NOT a 10 Year Old trainer with a Pikachu again.

    And yes I agree they should have written Best Wishes better because It was really disappointing to watch. Stale, nothing really interesting in each Episode. The fact that Pikachu feels underpowered in this Series made me want to stop watching Pokemon all together. Its like they don't care about Pikachu anymore.
    Ash has been 10 years old for more than 10 years now. It's like each two weeks in the Pokemon Anime is like a year in our time. And Pickachu is so annoying. He's arrogant as well and I think he's worse than Ash. I wish I could just say it but Pikachu is a D- word. Annoying. :(
    Yes Pikachu can use a break. However if it wasn't used all the time then maybe things would be different. Also you need to keep in mind that due to Pikachu's popularity, it is the reason why it still exists on this show. I don't see what this has to do with rather it is arrogant or not. It's a pokemon programmed to do what it's trainer tells them to. And I don't think Ash and been arrogant lately. In fact he has been kind. Alittle too kind.

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    Yeah, his character is boring and pointless now with his regression in the Unova League and he can't move forward in character development anymore

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    YES, but I doubt that will ever happen. -_-


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    I want Ash to be replaced so bad after his regression in the Unova league, how boring he's gotten, and how much character development he's gotten from the OS to DP just thrown out the window. They're never gonna do it though because it all goes back to Pikachu. Pikachu is the most popular Pokemon and he's basically the mascot for Pokemon and this status just gives the writers a need to constantly market him and remind people he's always there even though nobody is gonna be forgetting about him anytime soon. At this point, especially with how much focus he got over the Unova Pokemon, I'm sick of Pikachu and he AND Ash need a break.
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    When you think about it Ash to anime is same like Naruto is to Naruto, Luffy to One Piece, Goku to DBZ etc. All of them are driving force of some show, their representatives and getting rid of any of them would reflect badly on marketability of franchise and fandom in general.

    Im not speaking to pokemon franchise as whole, but to anime Ash and Pikachu solidified their position so deep over 15 years becoming basically main faces, icons of whole anime with people associating series to them. Whoever you meet who heard about pokemon, most recognizable characters from series are those two being their main promoters.

    At one side we have protagonist who is carrying out name of pokemon creator himself(mr. Satoshi Tajiri) being probably way of recognition and on other there is yellow mouse(Pikachu) who is main mascot not only for series but whole pokemon franchise in general.

    Take out any of them and you pretty much tarnished series reputation and icons with who fans associate anime with making easier to spread pokemon to younger generations that way and get them hooked on it.

    Ash is important to anime just like Pikachu is and having him leave would be very bad move from business standpoint dropping basically main source of profit and bedrock on which series reside.

    Popularity and someone recognizabilty always play important factor and i believe most of us in here are underestimating that when easily throwing around hypothesis of "Ash departure not making any difference".

    When some character becomes too popular and important in series his departure almost never goes without blast-of.
    In retrospective both members of original trio were viewed as crucial asset to anime back than with most fans becoming so attached and used to characters and original group as whole that their leaving was unthinkable. As result of that their exit was anything but well received among fanbase.
    When Brock was ditched during Orange Islands that move lifted up a lot of dust among people,and Misty's departure was ten times worse received causing big backlash from international fandom with good portion quitting with anime only because of this finding show lost its value and purpose.

    Same applies to Ash but only to much, much larger scale. He became too valuable to anime with most people worldwide being too used to him, millions of fans grew up with his journey and he became pokemon show embodiment.In Ash case complaints would be 100 times bigger.

    Some could try to argue how with other companions and Brock second departure didn't raised much of storm, but that's because people became used to supporting cast changes,
    Ash is in a whole another league being main promoter of pokemon with whole show being about his journey and quest of becoming pokemon master. He is viewed as un expendable and crucial asset of this show that his departure would only create shock and major disappointment among fandom. New generations would become confused with alternate series and different protagonist with franchise losing established brand, someone with who younger kids can connect anime with becoming turned of from it.

    Getting new kid with Pikachu cant work either because Ash and Pikachu are viewed as pair, being pokemon anime themselves. Remove any of them and you lost brand producers established about pokemon. Something which can never die and get replaced.

    Realistically either Ash or Pikachu being removed involves too much risk for writers and producers to take, and trying to get rid of someone who steered this show for 15 years is just asking for trouble.

    Needless to say introducing new male will change exactly what? We would have basically another Ash clone going through another gym quest as rookie tagging along yellow rodent with him. Sounds familiar?
    Now real question is who would like to watch this kind of rerun?

    Step toward improvement doesn't lie in replacing main protagonist people because that way writers will just transfer all bad writing and mistakes done with Ash character on next guy repeating same repetitive scenery. But in actually first cleaning up mess they made with current characters digging into past and evaluating what they did wrong, what turned out to be mistake having guidelines and history through which they can act upon and bring back character on right track.

    Additionally with Ash there exist potential to take him forward doing sequel to his history and established storyline doing more notable progress toward his dreams, build on his dynamic with other characters, have him mature more as person learning how to be more calm and rational in battles growing forward. Something it cannot be done with new guy who doesn't have any background, developed storyline to degree which wpould allow to take him forward nor established relationship and connections with past adding to his credibility as trainer and allowing to inject more subtle changes to plots which surround him.

    By taking look at other shows like Beyblade where accomplished characters like Tyson or Gingka have sequel to their stories after becoming champions in world, or Bakugan where Dan and others grow through complex, more substantial way there is no doubt how wr8twrs could go with Ash forward after winning league for change showing to be just one in line of steps someone need to obtain before becoming pokemon master(as confirmed by E4 Lucian).

    Otherwise his whole existence in this show, years of traveling, establishing pokemon teams and all achievements our hero made in past would become pointless if we get rid of him in middle of road before achieving any of his aims. Honestly i would much rather like to follow build up on Ash story taking him forward on bigger, better things than letting all potential to do more go to waste just to watch his clone going through basics all over again. That way story and writer skills can't grow at all just doing repeat of what they done before.

    Not to mention if Ash is gone all other older characters(like May,Misty,Dawn,Brock etc) who could offer more developing their stories further would stop existing as well enduing unfinished and forever erased.
    Something which doesn't need to be case as long main protagonist is present in pokemon.

    Case and point: Ash leaving would be huge mistake and he should remain until anime series regarding pokemon end for good.

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