How is it a lot of work for a new lead when they swap the characters every gen?
How is it a lot of work for a new lead when they swap the characters every gen?
This is the problem though, you (and lots of others) expect an ending to a never ending storyIf this was a reboot it'd be acceptable but the original story didn't end yet.
People should enjoy the Pokémon anime for what it is - a never ending story that you're not supposed to overanalyze but just to relax, watch and enjoy
If one can't do that and only forces himself to watch just for the sake of watching it until it "ends", then this person should just give up, stop watching it and stop caring what's happening with it, because so far there's no reason to believe that this show (or Ash's character) will ever reach a real ending
I also always found it kind of ridiculous to dream of an "ending"... like, what will happen? there won't be anything special in the supposed ending, seriously...
We'll probably just see Ash win a League or a Champion or something (which really, while may be cool, is not really something THAAAAT exciting or special...) and then we'll see Ash and Pikachu run off while the narrator say they're going on a new adventure in a new region that we'll... never get to see... the end...
Ew, I'd never want that...
It's a show that you should enjoy for what it is or just not watch it, really... an ending would be so bad... =\
Also, I rather stick to characters rather than have their story randomly cut in the middle of it like with Dawn and May (well, they got some kind of conclusion, so it wasn't THAT bad, but it's still annoying to know their journey continues and we can't see it)
If he were to be replaced it'd happen by now, long before we reached 15 years
BW is really like the "Kanto-Johto" remake... BW games were totally "fresh" and tried to repeat gen 1, now we get sequel games which is what GSC were supposed to be... maybe the BW series is a repeat of the original series, and then with gen 6 we'll get games more like RSE/DPt and an anime series that will be more like AG/DP
(not that I'm trying to make a pattern here, but I can see things going this way)
Well, they can always do better next gen... original series had Gary and AG series had no rival at all for him... DP then surprised with the awesomeness of Paul and Barry... maybe gen 6 will surprise us again- Also his rivals are getting worse. I knew the writers could never top Paul but what they gave us as a replacement is just sad. Between Gary and Paul Ash struggled in two different ways, and if Trip is the future then count me out.
You can ask that about any of the previous friends he had, even including Misty and Brock... yes, they could be with someone else instead of Ash, so?... it doesn't mean anything- His travel companions are constantly replaced, so keeping Ash around with an all new cast seems pointless. Just think, Iris and Cilan could have not been tied to Ash at all, but a new hero, and we wouldn't think of them as Ash's friends. What difference would it make if Iris/Cilan were interacting with someone new?
Using a brand new hero wouldn't change anything then, since he'd just use his newly caught team similary to what Ash is doing right now... at least when Ash is still around we can see some of his older ones once in a Jirachi... a new hero wouldn't solve this problem, it'd just make it worse...- His older pokemon are rarely seen or used anymore.
It's totally in character for Ash to want even more than 200, which he'll probably achieve in the future XD- Ash now has 40 Gym badges, I have no desire to see him get 200.
This is partly why he'll never leave, you don't replace the main star of a TV show after 750 eps- Ash has 750 episodes under his belt, I don't need to see 1000.
Try to name ONE show that did it...
So?... it isn't a must to know the past of the show and as you said yourself most of kids don'y really care and it wouldn't matter for them either way - so why bother? things worked good enough by now to last 15 years, they really have no reason to make drastic changes NOW after all this time...- Most of the fanbase will never get to see his whole journey. Since the show has gone on so long, most people have come in and out of the show never seeing every saga in full.
- Kids growing up with the show today do not know the history of the series, so to them it won't matter.
Main characters in this show barely have much a of "backstory" and it isn't THAT hard to come up with one anyway
New Pokémon? a supposed new main star will probably get exactly the same Pokémon Ash would get
New characters? we're getting them anyway
Closure for last star? They did it with May and Dawn already... this is partly why I don't understand people who want Ash to leave - he'll just go on to a new adventure which we'll never get to see =\
But really, all these things about how "hard" it is to make a new star is pretty ridiculous...
They can easily start a brand new series without Ash if they only wanted to - but I doubt they'll ever want that
Im not even sure from where people get impression that Ash is going to be treated like he was in Unova, in future generations from now on? One region doesn't make pattern and if your going to use Unova as indication how will writers treat Ash from now , than we should use DP and AG as indicators as well with writers clearly proving how they are more than enough capable of handling his character correctly providing good growth.
Furthermore, if that's true that's even more of a reason why Ash shouldn't be replaced. If his replacement is going to be regressed and stuck in never ending limbo not growing, whats the point of replacing Ash character than? To watch clone never growing?
Besides whole reason why Ash was regressed to certain extent in BW in first place was only to better portray new start for which writers intended to go with BW reflecting games revamp through anime. For same reason there were no older pokemon, Brock left, TR got retooled along with girls becoming sidekicks again.
Fact that continuation of games, BW 2 is filled with pokemon from previous generations should tell us how lack of continuity and reference to past regions was only temporary ,being done for purposes of portrayal of Unova as isolated and foreign region.
By end of 5th gen i could easily see Ash regaining all of past experience, with writers taking him forward.
Argument how writers did everything they could with Ash, being time for him to go is completely fallacious, because there doesn't exist limit in how much writer can develop character. They are the ones which gives life to characters, depending solely on them when its time to stop.
Just because someone journey goes fir long time, doesn't mean how pokemon is anime without ending. Finale wont escape anywhere and if we watched Ash fir 15 years, it doesn't matter if writers close him down nor or after couple of more years.
They can, definitely having knowledge and capability of renewing characters making them enjoyable again doing things right. But some people tend to ignore this.
Personally i would rather have Ash stayed with writers getting him back on right road, doing new things with already experienced and established character pursuing bigger and better things. Instead of getting cheap version which starts out as dumb rookie basically watching rehash of story through which Ash went in early days not bringing anything new on table. I want to follow characters taken forward with writers doing sequel with them, instead of watching rerun of what we already saw.
Thats why im in favor for Ash staying not seeing point to get rid of character with who it can be done a lot more, just to get new one which wont bring anything which Ash already as character can't. Its more fun to me following ačlready established chracter growing forward gaining more substance with sequel being made, instead of following rehash of what we already saw before with new one.
Also, Ash definitely has potential to grow more. He never won league, never challenged E4 and won match against them, never came close toward his goal of becoming pokemon master still being far away etc. Easy defeats against champions, high leveled trainers or elite members in DP served as proof how he still doesn't have what it takes to stand up to high level trainers which are in whole another league. Even if he won Sinnoh tournament, he would still be creamed with trainers from higher caliber. Not to mention as character he still tends to naively enter in battles without thinking and developing proper strategy, having problems in pulling out of his pokemon full strength, lacking knowledge and experience to overcome basic flaws certain type may have and turn it into his advantage etc.
Becoming pokemon master involves becoming strongest trainer in world, so even after winning one league his journey wont stop there. Meaning how we could watch him entering bigger and more challenging side quest than BF was, entering other leagues, battling stronger trainers, growing with his pokemon going on bigger and better things as trainer.
Writers definitely have knowledge and capability of renewing characters making them enjoyable again doing things right. But some people tend to ignore this.
For instance people thought TR started to be stale in Johto, finding them fun again in AG. Same goes for Brock in Johto or Ash in DP, being renewed capturing audience interest for them again.
Argument how someone should leave before he gets "boring"is irrelevant because character can be fun again, and besides whop is to say new character wont be boring as well?
Seems to me like lot of pointless work just to bring new character which involves risk of not being accepted well among people lading to drop of ratings.
Also judging by past companions with most not getting proper closure or conclusion at all(Misty, Max, May comes to mind) due to not being developed enough to allow for better. Same faith expects Ash too if he gets replaced after BW with character currently not being fleshed out enough to do believable ending and achieve some significant accomplishment to be imbued with sense of ending from what we currently saw.
Leaving right now is too early to give his character satisfying closure. Writers already did same mistake with past companions leaving several things hanging in air. We wouldn't want same thing happening to Ash as well, right?
He deserves better.
Last edited by pokemon fan 132; 22nd April 2012 at 05:19 AM.
Ash has been around for 15 years and he still WORKS. He still brings in the viewers and as long as the pokemon series don't do badly enough to be considered a liability instead of an asset I don't think they would consider doing such a big overhaul in the series. Besides if that were to happen they would probably just put an end to the anime instead. *shrugs*
And what big overhaul do you keep refering to? You mean the same thing we see with each saga transition, where the main characters and Pokemon of the group are all changed? I love how you keep acting like this is some "huge expensive" thing, I don't think you know what you're claiming.
Its going to cost money to write a new character, when they write new characters every gen? The only difference is they'll be paying the new VA a lot less than Satoshi's.
They can easily start a brand new series without Ash if they'll only want to... no, it won't take "more time and money"
Officially, the DP series was "Ash and Dawn's story" - as written in the intro text on every opening theme in the Japanese version - while the others were just "Ash's story"And we have to remember that the anime series is about Ash's journey. Not Brocks or Mistys or Dawns or anyone else we've seen.
So yes, it IS Dawn's story too, for the DP series... and while they didn't label it so officially, a good part of AG was also dedicated to May
Anyway, Pokémon is mainly, before anything else, about... well, Pokémon
If they'd ever want to replace Ash they can easily do it
I'm not even against the idea, though I'm not really supporting it either
I'm happy with Ash staying and I don't understand people who want him to be replaced, but I also don't like to see people who act as if replacing him is SO "impossible"... it's unlikely to happen, but not impossible to do if they wished to do it
I was fine with Ash staying through DP because of his continuing growth and stuff in the show supporting that. Ash defeating legendaries, a fierce rivalry with Paul, Champions promising to battle him, having an almost fully evolved Pokemon team, etc.
But BW killed my interest. I can imagine any new male in Ash's place for BW and nothing would be different other than Pikachu. If anything I think if TR go then Ash isn't too far off.
But the point is BW would be almost the same with any new male in Ash's place other than Pikahu. TR and Oak are the only older ties still left, and with them gone you could imagine BW or a series that comes after with no ties to Ash's story.
I think we'll see. Besides if Ash's story ends I wouldn't be surprised if he gets movie-length specials afterward.
I still don't understand this idea that with Team Rocket gone, it's more possible to replace Ash. While Team Rocket were treated like main characters up until BW, they weren't the stars of the show. That would be Ash and Pikachu and the start of every new series reaffirms that. Even the whole Ash and Dawn's story in DP, it was still clearly focused on Ash's journey, along with Dawn's. If Team Rocket does leave at the end of BW, that doesn't mean it's more likely that they'll get rid of Ash. They've had a ton of chances to get rid of him, but the fact that he's been around for fifteen years and in over seven hundred episodes makes it painfully clear that he's going to be sticking around for the long haul.
I can understand why people want Ash to be replaced and many people bring up valid points, but to think that it's actually possible for the writers to replace their main character after so many years feels kind of ridiculous to me.
I agree, this whole deal with replacing Ash really would be an extreme move. Wouldn't it be better for the writers to handle the situation on a more positive side? Instead of replacing Ash entirely, they should just spend some time figuring out all the things that went wrong with him and fix it. What were his strong traits; the ones that made him an appealing and memorable main star? This is how they should treat every character, not just tossing hem out when they get old instead of facing the matter at hand. This way, people who are still fans of Ash don't get burned and there is no long-lasting controversy. And if a new protagonist would really benefit the anime? Well, maybe try something else such as a Pokemon Chronicles-like spin off series, in addition to the main series. Never mind the potential costs and benefits, that's TPC's job to figure out. The point is that there are more positive ways to solve problems with characters like Ash and there are more options on the table than most of us think. I think some open-mindedness and positive suggestions would go a long way!
15 years with Ash is enough. He doesn't need to be fixed because he's essentially the same thing over and over.
I'd rather see his story end then him still be here another 10 years from now doing the same thig in region 8 with friends 12 and 13 getting badges 67 and 72z