Stick on topic please. Patching things up can be kept to VMs.
Given how expertly done Paul was, I naturally had to lower my expectations for the new new rival especially after learning before BW aired that he was being compared to Paul by people who were involved with working on the show itself. I personally think they should have gone for a new type of rival entirely with little to no similarities to Paul whatsoever in order to stand out, but instead we ended up with a guy who is literally a saturated color-reverse palette swap of Paul in design, and the very weak first impression lead me to believe that they honestly weren't even going to try with Trip.
Like many characters, Trip is very poorly justified both in his actions and in concept. He's established to be a beginning trainer, so even though Ash is still "ten" in BW - since they decided not to make BW a reboot - you cannot deny that Ash has a ton of experience over Trip. At least with Paul and Gary, their routine squashing of Ash was believable because they were both equal to Ash in experience. I really do not believe the recent backstory exposition that revealed Alder as Trip's inspiration justifies his superiority to Ash.
There are actually a few things that - if they were properly explained - might make Trip a genuinely interesting character. While the camera thing is a legit quirk, there really isn't much to it. However, it's obvious that Trip has issues with Kanto and people from Kanto... but why is that? It just makes Trip out to be a xenophobe for no reason, and while he's supposed to be an antagonist for Ash, this really isn't something that aids his stance. I remember with Paul that, while he was generally a guy you were hoping Ash would put in his place, on the flipside Paul's philosophy was easy to grasp and it made him easier to relate to/understand, so that he became more than just a two-dimensional antagonist. Since Trip obviously isn't the kind of jerk Paul was, it's weird that they don't try to make Trip's weird opinions easier for the audience to grasp.
Another thing that I'd like the series to address - but I suspect it won't - is the fact that Trip is really taking on a lot of Pokemon for a newbie. Realistically by this show's standards, it would be immensely difficult for a beginning trainer to tame all of these Pokemon Trip's captured (since it's confirmed he caught at least six by the tenth episode and now he's been shown to be trying to catch even more). Sure, Ash is doing pretty much the same thing, but Ash isn't even remotely a beginner trainer anymore. While I don't support the whole Ash-rotating-his-team thing, it's at least believable for someone on his level to do. Paul rotated his team a lot in DP as well. But Trip's brand new at this; realistically he shouldn't be able to easily tame more than six Pokemon, perfect strategies for each one, and what-have-you in such a short period of time. Obviously the only reason Trip's been able to beat Ash at all this series is because he's got an all-new team, but the more experienced Ash becomes, the quicker he ought to be able to make his team into capable battlers. I'd like a subplot with Trip where it becomes obvious that he's trying to take on too much all at once and somewhere down the road it'll all blow up in his face somehow. But again, since BW doesn't like justifying character quirks most of the time, I suspect they won't do a thing with this, which is a shame. I think that would be very beneficial for Trip.
As it stands, I still don't find Trip to be all that interesting. He had a weak introduction, his rivalry with Ash is just sorta "there"; he hasn't really done anything to spark Ash's drive to train harder and harder like Gary and Paul often did. And this isn't just for the sake of comparing Trip to past rivals; for this show, this ought to be the basic bare minimum of what any rival in this show ought to have. Really, he barely feels like a "main rival" at all; Bianca's currently a much more notable rival than he is. I'm sure some users would find Cabernet to be more interesting than Trip as well.
All in all, the flashback with Alder was a step in the right direction, but it still doesn't justify Trip's hax or any of his other quirks, so until the writers actually put some... I dunno... effort into Trip's development/character, I'm not going to find much reason to care about him and the rivalry... if you can call it that presently, will just be very weakly founded just as Trip's character is.
If you mix Shinneth's post with this:
You pretty much have my views on him.
I don't hate him as a character; in fact, I saw a lot of potential when his introduction came up. The "prodigal newbie" isn't exactly a character type I enjoyed that much, but I was willing to accept him for the sake of diversity...and the fact that he was a rival and I expected it to become a big part of BW.
I don't know if he's irredeemable at the point considering how much time they've wasted, but a part of me still want to see some development.
I'll make a simplified list of his bad/good points:
-Strength is largely unjustified.
-Xenophobic for no reason.
-Limited interaction/concern with Ash
-Generic backstory, from what we know.
-Battles are rushed/one sided for the most part.
-Quirks are not exploited.
+Could be interesting if we were given more insight on his training methods/other past stories.
+Character design, from the neck up (and he was freaking cute in the flashback, admit it)
+Seems to be slowly thawing out with the help of Iris and Ash.
+Is kinda obsessive and pushy, in a humorous way
+Likes to take stalkerish photos
-Is some sort of self-studying, know-it all
-Looks like a hipster
So...yeah. I've said this before: I want to like Shooti. But, whatever happens, happens you know?
Its hard to call Trip a good rival right now because Paul was beautifully done and he was an arrogant abusive piece of work, I loved it. After his battle with Cynthia as well as his battle with Brandon you see a very emotionally charged side of him and added so much to his character, it was great. I hate to say it (because I am a fan of the original series) bu the was a better rival then Gary. I also enjoyed the fact that Paul is just about as experienced as Ash since he went around and challenged the other leagues as well. Thats a common ground that I liked and they both achieved their success and experienced with polar opposite battling style... then here comes the tension between the two. The tension is fantastic they really did not like each other for the longest time and it made for interesting tv. Trip is just a snob who tells ash to go back to the boonies and a beginner for some weird reason also has really strong pokemon. Trip is not there yet, maybe down the road, but he is no where near Ash's (imo) ultimate rival.
Edit: i like ranting it seems and to sum it up- Trip is not at Ash's experience level and he's not really a bad guy, meaning he doesnt treat his pokemon badly it seems so there is no reason for me to really care about the guy just yet. Ash shouldn't put to much effort to impress him either imo, but o well we will see.
Pretty much this, elongated.
I don't want to hate Shuuti, I just find myself so BORED and LUKEWARM by him.
I don't want him to be irredeemable because he does have potential and it helps that chibi-Shuuti made me want to throw up rainbows. I want to see the Plasma-dan subplot be thrown into their rivalry, but maybe that's asking for too much because at this point I just want to see a rivalry :U
I do like Trip.
He seems to have fun in his journey, taking pictures. His Pokémon look quite happy with him as a trainer.
The only things I don't like, are his ridiculous insults about Kanto. Also, his additude toward Ash himself isn't that cool. But somehow, with Ash who could go nuts if you don't battle him, I can understand that.
So yeah, I like Trip so far. But the writers really need to stop with making Trip an uber fighter towards Ash.
I find him to be the most unoriginal rival in the entire anime due to his generic "snobby rival" personality with nothing to make him stand out unlike Gary, Drew, and Paul. Not to mention what we've seen of his backstory so far is nothing special to me. And moreso than any other previous rival, his whole rivalry with Ash feels really forced because of his talent to assemble powerful Pokemon faster than any other previous trainer in the anime (rival or otherwise) so he can keep up with Ash's level and above, and all due to his rookie status--which was really an unnecessary decision by the writers.
He is easily the lowpoint of BW for me.
I would have liked if they had gone the more playful route this gen. We had a mix in DP with Paul and Barry being stark opposites really. Shooti just looks like a poor man's Paul. Not anywhere near as loud as Barry was, but something like a Tyson done right, from the beginning. Someone who Ash could have fierce battles with, but also be able to talk to.
Something I've mentioned before, but I'd like to see Trip also catch a greater number of pokemon. Like Paul sorta, but give them actual development, and not just have them show up. I'd like to see Ash and Trip both trying to counter each others pokemon and surprising each other with new pokemon during each battle. Them just using the same pokemon and knowing which pokemon'll be used every time gets dull.
The main problem with Trip is that everyone keeps comparing him to Paul. Obviously, it is hard not too, but I find it helpful when being introduced to a new character try to think of this character as completely separate and different from previous characters.
But I see where Paul fans are coming from. Now, I wasn't much of a Paul fan, so that makes it easier for me to like Trip. I think he has so much potential that it is frustrating that he hasn't appeared often, and his character traits appear lacking and boring. (Honestly I think he has done so well as a trainer because he is lucky) However, I am very happy that Trip has a back story, and depending how this is developed, it will make him a much more rounded character.
I'm not a Paul fan comparing him to Paul, I'm a person with eyes comparing him to Paul. From the start they both have that same dopey haircut, so really before we even saw the show a lot of people were comparing them based on just them looking really really similar. He's got the same arrogance that Paul had, yes Gary had it too but that's pretty out of sight out of mind for most people. Paul at least had an excuse to be arrogant, as he was an experienced trainer. Shooti's just some snob. Really his only character traits so far or that he's a dick and he takes pictures.
Also, I really don't get the pictures thing. It just seems like a really weird thing for the writers to do. It's not like he's some Todd Snap taking pictures of these pokemon professionally or what have you. If we see him with a giant scrapbook titled My Journey Through Unova, yeah it'll make sense, but it'll still be kinda weird.
Everybody knows those kids on facebook who upload 5 new albums every week. Nobody likes that kid, and the same goes for Shooti.
Still, I liked Trip in BW022, and I saw a hint of something interesting there. His past and motivations surrounding Adeku could be interesting too, but to be honest, I've got to care about the character, I've got to find his personality interesting, I've got to connect and so far I don't. Overall, I'd say there's a few things about Trip that could work, but that right now aren't exploited enough to really spark my interest.
For the moment I'm not yet impressed by Trip as rival.
Belle is the comic rival, Cheren from the game has not yet been introduced and it's anyone's guess if N makes an appearance in the anime.
A nice twist of events would be if Trip = N, but until the Team Plasma - Team plasma showdown has taken place everything is pure speculation.
We need more background information on Trip before we can really say anything about him being a good rival for Ash. Perhaps he has a brother who raises his pokemon, an estate with tutors, perhaps he's the son of one of the Gymleaders. But we simply know very little about him except that he travels very fast, gets his pokemon leveled pretty fast and that he met the Champion as a kid.
For now i don't think of Trip as an impressive opponent. Perhaps if he actually loses to Ash next duel and he gets a drive to beat the "hick" to get to challenging the Champion.
I'm glad Shuuti got some much-needed background info, though I still feel like it's lackluster. Turning into the type of guy he is solely due to his meeting with the Champion isn't very justified imo; he's more or less Shinji/Silver with a slightly less aggressive coating (he also treats his Pokemon better than those two), and sort of like Shigeru but with a less sarcastic tone. He basically is, to me, a mix of both of those three rivals. I'm still waiting on something that'll make him seem different. I adore his camera quirk, though, as well as his looks. Even though I'm a fan, I'm speaking from a non-fan perspective about my quirks about the guy.
Would've liked if the writers went for a different rival personality this time, since the whole smart, "mysterious" boy thing was done a few times already. At the rate we're going at now, he won't be a very memorable rival by the time the series ends.
I guess it's difficult for Shuuti to work since D/P ended somewhat recently (a year or less is recently to me) so people are reminded of Shinji, who was an interesting rival during his time, and can't seem to get that out of their heads. I'm probably included in that. :( It's not that Shuuti's bad, it's just that he feels like a step down from Shinji, who was a very memorable rival. He's also much too good for someone who just started out - it's one thing to study and a whole other to actually battle. Satoshi has a lot of experience behind him (or maybe I should say had, since B/W made it like he fell and hit his head and lost his memory of everything before arriving to Isshu) yet he seems to be stomped flat like a pancake when he fights against Shuuti. It would have been more interesting for Shuuti to struggle against Satoshi in their first few battles and then climb up to his level later on instead the opposite.
And from typing all this, I realized part of the reason people have a distaste for Shuuti is because of Satoshi's dumbness this generation. He isn't doing as well as he should be and that makes Shuuti look too good.
I agree that it's still early into the series, but first impressions are big. I'm giving him a chance no matter what though, and I still adore re-watching his episodes since I do like him despite these flaws.