Thread: Retconning Pokémon

There are already enough retcons. Every time new Pokémon get "discovered", the games treat them like they were always there.

That said, Gameplay-wise I still want Leafeon to evolve with a Leaf Stone, and for Stealth Rock to be terminated (What if I want to use my Charizard? )

Also, Nidoqueen's glitch as stated before, though they can stay separate species like Volbeat/Illumise (They have balance—Nido-F has defense and Nido-M has attack)

You know what I've despised for years?

IVs. EVs, fine, great, I like working for a reward. Why should I, just because of bad luck, have a crappy Pokémon that's harder to use? Listen, everyone's idea of fun is different but most people I know hate tedious, repetitive tasks like IV breeding. It's so complex that it crosses the line from "enjoyably difficult" to "oh god I freaking hate this game I've hatched ten eggs and my mons still aren't perfect".
It isn't "unique" or "deep". It's an irritating game mechanic that is inaccessible to newbies and takes too long to learn. There is a line between a fun challenge and an unorganized mess. IVs crossed it long ago.

So, yeah. Keep the stats and the EVs, just forget about IVs. Cruddy game design, needs to be retconned.

Originally Posted by Miles101

You know what I've despised for years?

IVs. EVs, fine, great, I like working for a reward. Why should I, just because of bad luck, have a crappy Pokémon that's harder to use? Listen, everyone's idea of fun is different but most people I know hate tedious, repetitive tasks like IV breeding. It's so complex that it crosses the line from "enjoyably difficult" to "oh god I freaking hate this game I've hatched ten eggs and my mons still aren't perfect".
It isn't "unique" or "deep". It's an irritating game mechanic that is inaccessible to newbies and takes too long to learn. There is a line between a fun challenge and an unorganized mess. IVs crossed it long ago.

So, yeah. Keep the stats and the EVs, just forget about IVs. Cruddy game design, needs to be retconned.

well i'm hoping this new bond mechanic will make up for that and potentially retcon something? but hopefully it will make EVs, maybe IVs, and hopefully just pokes with poor stat totals be more useful/stronger/resilient in battle.

-I’m on the side of the ones who think Gardevoir should be only female. Male Gardevoir look just wrong. Lopunny should also be only female as well.

-I don’t want new types, for God’s sake. Imagine if a new type is introduced. To balance things out, at least half of all the new Pokémon would have to be of the new type. The huge gap of all 649 Pokémon not having that type looks bad as well (yes, I already know none of the first 151 were Dark, but 151 is way different from 649). I wouldn’t like it even if the new type was applicable to old Pokémon (for example, people who want the Magic type to exist and want Cleffa, Clefairy, Clefable, Spoink and Grumpig to have it as their secondary type).

-I would have also liked that Gothita, Gothorita and Gothitelle were Psychic/Dark, but since they aren’t, I think it’s better to leave them like that. The same goes for Gyarados, who I think should be Water/Dragon instead of Water/Flying. Azurill should be Water instead of Normal too.

-Merge both Nidoran in one species like Frillish and Jellicent.

-Nidorina and Nidoqueen must be able to breed.

-I say NO to forbidding Water types from learning Ice Beam and Blizzard. What’s the huge deal? Just let them learn the move. Then again, I think Grass types should also be able to learn Earth Power, so it should become a TM. I also think all Ice types should be able to learn Water-type moves like Surf, Waterfall, Water Pulse, etc.

-Poison should become super-effective against Water and Fighting, and Ice should become resistant to Dragon.

-Fix the Mr. Mime name weird situation and clear the baby Kangaskhan situation as well. Make the little thing become a Pokémon itself.

-Eevee should evolve into Espeon with the Sun Stone, into Umbreon with the Moon or Dusk Stone and into Leafeon by using the Leaf Stone.

-A shared pre-evolution for Volbeat and Illumise and a shared pre-evolution for Tauros and Miltank. A shared pre-evolution for Pinsir and Heracross could also be nice.

-Make Seviper become Arbok’s evolution, Bouffalant become Tauros’s evolution and make Alomomola become Luvdisc’s evolution (I know this isn’t going to happen in a million years anyway).

-Another shiny palette for every single Pokémon. For example, there should be red Gyarados and a golden Gyarados. You can have a shiny Gyarados and I may have another shiny Gyarados and they would still be different: yours is red and mine is golden. Your Charizard is black and mine is… Blue. And they’re both shiny. Awesome.

-NERF GODDAMN STEALTH ROCK. I hate how a single move completely redefined competitive battling and made many actually good Pokémon like Charizard completely useless. Argh.

I like the idea of introducing another shiny color of every Pokemon, I think its time that sort of thing got changed up a little bit, just as long as they make the other shiny form a different color and dont just lazily make it a shade or two lighter. It should look different.

Please nerf Stealth Rock,Game Freak, please ;-;

Ice type needs a buff badly, give it some more resistance and/or more defense in hail or something.

other than those, I think everything is ok as is.

Fixing all the egg groups, as the current system have many big problems, such as Oshawott cannot breed with other Water starters excluding Piplup. HSOWA is no problem aside this (as Skitty and Wailord are mammals).

Originally Posted by SquirtleMan493

Originally Posted by TerraWolf

Originally Posted by SquirtleMan493

Thus far the only retcons to Pokémon themselves have been:

-Magnemite and Magneton becoming part Steel.
-Rotom's forms becoming part of the type of whatever move they received.
-Feebas's evolution to Milotic via Prism Scale.

Problem is, this only involves a few Pokemon, not a whole group like the Moon or Fairy or Light or Sound types would involve.

...What?

Are you inserting fan conjecture into the possibility of retconning Pokémon types? Because that's not the type of changes this topic is meant to tackle.

Oh God, this is the most hilarious response I've ever seen!

Dude, this who retconning discussion is fucking fan conjecture. So far there isn't any proposed retcon here (other than maybe Nidoqueen's sterility) that isn't just a fans' desires which have no support other than they want to see it happen.

Instead of nerfing Stealth Rock, they should give more Pokemon Rapid Spin, cause it's poorly distributed.

Originally Posted by Angela-Samshi

Instead of nerfing Stealth Rock, they should give more Pokemon Rapid Spin, cause it's poorly distributed.

A more popular Rapid Spin would just mean more spinblockers and Stealth Rock would still be a problem. Plus, it isn't always feasible to use Rapid Spin, since you're basically wasting a turn. Stealth Rock just needs a nerf.

Originally Posted by Enzap

Originally Posted by Angela-Samshi

Instead of nerfing Stealth Rock, they should give more Pokemon Rapid Spin, cause it's poorly distributed.

A more popular Rapid Spin would just mean more spinblockers and Stealth Rock would still be a problem. Plus, it isn't always feasible to use Rapid Spin, since you're basically wasting a turn. Stealth Rock just needs a nerf.

Or Rapid Spin needs a buff. Imagine, if you will, a hypothetical Scizor (improved distribution) hitting enemies with a technician boosted Choice Band Rapid Spin that now has 45-50 BP. It'll hit hard while still removing rocks.

To be honest, Gardevoir doesn't really look that feminine to me.

I'm also looking at it on Pokédex 3D Pro. Kirlia's appearance is definitely feminine due to looking like a tutu (thus making the ballroom dancer connection likely with Gardevoir) but Gardevoir's isn't. Gardevoir's Japanese name possibly refers to knights, so it's possible that Gardevoir is simply nobility and it is known that nobility preferred extravagant dress, so Gardevoir could be wearing a cape as much as it is wearing a ballroom dress.
I'd say the bigger question is "Why is Gallade male-only?" It doesn't look overtly masculine to me:


As for Lopunny and Buneary...when I look at them, I see rabbits. I think they're fine too.

Gardevoir has a somewhat feminine haircut combined with what looks like a low cut dress, that one's almost a given. So the name is knight, still doesn't change the fact that its feminine. Loppuny is straight up furry territory, I won't accept anything else. Its just too.....right for it, the position, the look, everything is about it is bait.

Originally Posted by Chespin

Gardevoir has a somewhat feminine haircut combined with what looks like a low cut dress, that one's almost a given. So the name is knight, still doesn't change the fact that its feminine. Loppuny is straight up furry territory, I won't accept anything else. Its just too.....right for it, the position, the look, everything is about it is bait.

Gardevoir's hair does look like something you'd see more on a woman than a man, but I can easily picture a guy with that kind of hair cut too.

With Lopunny...I can see the inspiration from models and such, but I mainly just think of it as a rabbit (probably because due to a guy I used to know at college, I've blocked out furries from my mind xD). I wouldn't have complained if it was female only, but I can easily see there being males too.

Gallade should not be a male-exclusive gender Pokemon. Both he and Gardevoir can be considered male and female, even if they "look" similar to what some of us may attribute as "male" or "female" qualities. That's like saying that all Ninetales should be female and all Arcanine should be male because either species gives off gender-specific vibes. Please.

Other than Pokemon who clearly have qualities relative to our chemical makeup, such as Chansey's egg (being that it is the "Egg Pokemon") or Miltank's udders (being that only female cows give milk, after birth), all other Pokemon should be gender-neutral. For example, Kangaskhan should be male as well, as it's the "Parent Pokemon." Parents are both male and female and both are capable of caring for a child, or a Joey in this case. If it were the "Kangaroo Pokemon" then the pouch and female-exclusive gender would make more sense, as only female kangaroos have pouches.

Enough with the gender specificity, though.

Originally Posted by Chespin

Gardevoir has a somewhat feminine haircut combined with what looks like a low cut dress, that one's almost a given. So the name is knight, still doesn't change the fact that its feminine.

It's really not that feminine-exclusive. So it's a girly-lookin' pogey. You know what? Machamp's a dudey-lookin' pogey. It's got a 'package' down there and everything; why didn't they make that a dude from the start? They did with Tauros.

If how a pokémon looked determined gender, there would be a LOT more one-gender only pokémon, and that sucks. What makes Gardevoir any more feminine than Loppuny, as noted, or Mienshao, or Medicham? So girly. Why isn't Meloetta gendered? Cresselia is and that's less-gender-looking than most legendaries. Or why aren't the Timburr-line, the Abra-line, and the Tepig-line male only? They're final evos just scream "man". Probopass, hey, another lady with a 'stache; make it a dude!

Why aren't the Hitmons gender neutral? They aren't overly masculine. Neither is Braviary when compared to how barbarian lady-like Mandibuzz is. Gee, gender. It's so subjective, it's almost bias. Who are we to determine something should only be one gender just because it "looks" like that gender?

No gender issue is gonna be retconned, for certain, as long as backwards compatibility remains in play. Otherwise, they would have fixed Azurill already and would have "corrected" Glalie and Gardevoir at the same time. And if they "correct" those, they might as well "correct" all the gender-questiony pogeys. All the dragons except Altaria would be dudes, because clearly Altaria is a stereotypical femmy dragon in comparison to the manry dragons like Haxorus and Garchomp, and sure, let's make Dragonite a dude, too. Even though its prevos are so girly and pretty. So it'll switch genders. I mean, Dragonair is the least masculine looking dragon of the bunch; no way it should be male. And Lucario! Shit, that's male. So male. Awesomely butch; no chicks allowed. Onix and all those rock-types just shouldn't have genders, because they don't look masculine or feminine. And most fighting-types should just be all male; god, who would want a female Scrafty? Girls aren't thugs.

Dude, Gothitelle; you'd think GF would have learned their lesson from Gardevoir and Gallade and made the emo-chick 100% female...but the fact they haven't? It tells you that gender limitation isn't solely based on appearance; it's based on the species origin.

See where I'm going? There is waaaaaaaay too much concern over Gardevoir being a female-appearing pokémon that can be either gender. But where others argue "IT'S SO FEMININE," anyone else can take the entire dex and do the same thing with every other pogey we got. So gender concerns are just an aesthetic retcon that really has no impact on gameplay and takes further away from a player's overall team gender preference.