Thread: Pokémon Remake Discussion (Read First Post!)

Originally Posted by Bikini Miltank

There's absolutely no reason to assume that. Gen II remakes happened despite every Gen II Pokemon being available by other means. They didn't happen because they were necessary, they happened because people thought they'd be fun and GF figured they'd be able to make some money from them.

Even though Generation II Pokémon were all available (making remakes in order to specifically obtain them unnecessary)... the games themselves were not compatible. And now that the 3DS (and the DSi for that matter) can no longer play GBA games... that means that Generation III (including FireRed and LeafGreen) have more of a reason to be remade. Of course, that's not the only reason... there was still a good chance of them being remade even if they were 100% compatible and playable on the current system.
Oh, and the battery thing with Ruby / Sapphire / Emerald gives them more reason to make remakes. However, there is a problem... Red / Blue were able to be remade because Generation I and Generation III literally took place at the same time. This is canon, despite not many references to Generation I being made in Generation III. Same for Generation II and Generation IV. Now we got Generation V which definitely takes place after Generation I / III... a remake would not be able to fit into the timeline. A sequel could work... or the remake could be made but break the tradition of remakes taking place in the same time period as the main games, so it's still not impossible.

And while we're at it, Gen III wasn't incompatible with Gen II on purpose. There was literally no way to send data from a Game Boy cart to a GBA cart.

It wasn't completely impossible... it could have been done indirectly through the GCN. GCN was compatible with GBA (by directly hooking up the GBA) and it was compatible with GB games through the GameBoy Player (and maybe even through the GBA itself, although it was never done so I don't know if it was possible or not). I'd bet if they really wanted to they could have figured out a way of connecting the GB Player to a Stadium-like GCN game, allowing a player to transfer the Pokémon data from Generatio I and II to the GCN game... then have the GCN game take the data and convert it to a format used by Generation III (improvising for the non-existant stats, like how Generation II was able to split Special to Special Attack and Special Defense despite those stats being non-existent in Generation I)... and then the player would just transfer the data onto Generation III.

Originally Posted by Bikini Miltank

There's absolutely no reason to assume that. Gen II remakes happened despite every Gen II Pokemon being available by other means. They didn't happen because they were necessary, they happened because people thought they'd be fun and GF figured they'd be able to make some money from them.

Not all Johto Pokemon were available during Gen III and Gen IV (keep in mind that not everyone has the GCN games).

Originally Posted by dannyjenn

Even though Generation II Pokémon were all available (making remakes in order to specifically obtain them unnecessary)... the games themselves were not compatible.

Yes, they were. Almost every Gen II Pokemon was available in Diamond and Pearl, with the exception of starters and legendaries, which could be transferred from Gen III games.

Originally Posted by Ghetsis-Dennis

Not all Johto Pokemon were available during Gen III and Gen IV (keep in mind that not everyone has the GCN games).

The Gamecube games are part of Gen III.

And there were precisely two Pokemon that could only be obtained in the Gamecube games prior to HGSS. I don't buy that Lugia and Ho-Oh being harder to come by than most legendaries somehow made Gen II remakes "necessary". If GF were that concerned about two Pokemon being hard to find, they could have had a distribution event, or put them in Platinum. Making a whole new set of games just for these Pokemon seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to when there were easier options available.

RSEmakes or RSEquels? I think the latter flows better. I'm hoping for event data for Slateport Gymleader Brendan (alluded to ingame) to support this theory.

At this point, two main versions plus a third version doesn't seem all that marketable compared to sequels, however, I don't think sequels are the right way to go for Gen VI. I've speculated we may wind up playing a game that, while taking place in the same region, will have the PC start at opposite ends depending on the region and telling two halves of the same story, with a link/password system similar to the Zelda Oracle games. This would be a new way of telling a story, while maintaining the overall game play and keeping the series fresh.

However, what about a second set of games for Gen VI? I believe RSEquels will fill that void, and that remakes will cease to be necessary as the originals will be available via eShop, modified not only to allow wireless trade, but also facilitating transfer of Pokemon between Gen I-III games to Gen VI. Its not that out of the question. Transfer from Gen I to II required the Pokemon gaining a new stat, so I'm sure with enough effort (and given that it would have been two decades worth of technological advancement), that they'll be able to transfer the Pokemon.

As much as I loved the original RSE and want a remake, a sequel for it sounds even better to me. I would be happy with either. My main beef is that I just want to revisit Hoenn with updated graphics, it would look amazing!

Originally Posted by P0kelegend

As much as I loved the original RSE and want a remake, a sequel for it sounds even better to me. I would be happy with either. My main beef is that I just want to revisit Hoenn with updated graphics, it would look amazing!

Adding more to the story from the original would be nice, not just remaking the entire game structure with new graphics.

I personally still play Emerald on my iPhone through an Emulator because my GameBoy SP's battery has died. I also have a DS Lite to play my old GBA games, but sadly Its broken. Hopefully this summer, I can get It fixed.

I look forward to the remakes! :)

I like the idea of throwing remakes out the window for sequels. I would like a sequel for Kanto(Happens between RGBY-GSC)

Yeah, sequels have potential to be better than remakes.

A sequel for Sinnoh in Generation VII would make my life a little happier.

Originally Posted by Mantiz

Yeah, sequels have potential to be better than remakes.

A sequel for Sinnoh in Generation VII would make my life a little happier.

Its not all about new graphics, we want a sequel too.
Who knows, many years from now, they might do a sequel for Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.

How would sequels for the older games even work?

A Platinum 2? Wouldn't Giratina already be captured by the PC from the first game? How could you expand on a game like? It's clear that sequels were planned all along for Black and White, which had people saying the ending was felt short and lacking. Because of the way they planned this generation, sequels work. The first 4 generations weren't planned to have sequels. All the stories of those regions and Pokemon have been told and finished.

Remakes will be fine. I haven't seen many negative comments about remakes in general, and as seen by the huge demand for R/S/E remakes, some people now think remakes will occur every generation. But no, I don't think we'll see sequels to previous generations.

Originally Posted by FinalSynFrey

Originally Posted by Mantiz

Yeah, sequels have potential to be better than remakes.

A sequel for Sinnoh in Generation VII would make my life a little happier.

Its not all about new graphics, we want a sequel too.
Who knows, many years from now, they might do a sequel for Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.

Graphics aren't that important, what would please me the most is the sound quality (which sucks in RSE, because GBA sound chip = shit)
The Nintendo DS technology would me more than enough to receive well made remakes or sequels of Generation III.

For Sinnoh, it would probably happen only in Gen VI or maybe VII... who knows.

I would like the desert and also Mt. Chimney to be a lot larger in the hopeful remakes or sequels. Why? I like exploring volcanoes and deserts! Also, I would like to be more to the Regi's sidequest, maybe with more backstory than was given in the past, maybe putting a fourth ruins that is discovered after the three we know of are scavenged (after you catch Regirock, Registeel, and Regice) that is much larger than those and actually has a whole complex dedicated to it, and it houses a Regigigas

I am wondering if the Ruby/Sapphire remakes would feature Team Rocket as post elite 4 storyline antagonists and the player discovers that the Rockets had been playing both off the Aqua's and the Magmas

I don't have a 3DS, sadly, but if they made a remake of RSE for the system, I would SO want to get one. Sure, they haven't actually made a Pokemon RPG for the 3DS yet, but personally, I'm thinking that if they're going to make good use of all the extra features on it, then why now try tricking out the "MagmaRuby" and "AquaSapphire" remakes FIRST and THEN, once they're familiar with all the cool stuff they can program in, run an original...

Wait. Something even cooler just hit me in the forehead...

If they can do a sequel to B&W on DS, why not add a "sequel quest" to MagmaRuby and AquaSapphire? I seem to remember hearing that RSE came up short on the post-game content, so a specifically 3DS-designed bonus stage would ROCK! (I'm sure a lot of more experienced players out there have a zillion reasons why I'm wrong, not the least of which is that the player would have to suffer through the entire original remade game before getting to the new content/sequel...)

Hey, maybe as the sequel quest, the player could encounter the team they haven't encountered before (Magma for AquaSapphire, Aqua for MagmaRuby), and the disbanded team could make a comback, and we'd see both teams fight each other for the fate of the environment itself. In this epic clash, legendary Pokemon from gens IV and V would appear (as well as from I and II), leading to a near Poke-pocalyspe that, stereotypically, the player just barely manages to prevent by the power of his/her friendship with his/her Pokemon. (grins)

I'd buy a 3DS for that one.

@Nuvakat; I've merged your thread with the remake discussion thread, as it is a more suitable place to discuss possible remakes.