Thread: Gym Discussion/Speculation

I don't expect to see a Dark type gym. I know everyone wants it, but with the current trend and all, I still don't expect to see one.

Maybe GF will prove me wrong. Though I certainly would be, jokingly that is, calling blasphemy on it.

Everyone seems to be bored of Water gyms. There haven't been a Generation without them. Hate me if you want but I say that there shouldn't be a Water gym, but a Water Elite Four instead. It has never been done.
This is my list:
1: Rock (I want Rock to be first again :D)
2: Flying
3: Normal
4: Ghost
5: Fire
6: Grass
7: Psychic
8: Dark
(I hope you notice the hidden pattern there ;D)

Elite Four:
Electric
Water
Poison
Dragon (traditions...)

Champion:
Varied

Well, we already know there's a Bug-type (which I don't like. Every main series DS game had a Bug-type GL or E4 member). So for the remaining types, I'd like to see (although not necessarily in this order):

Fire
Dark
Psychic
Ghost
Fighting
Grass
Steel

Maybe in terms of order it might be like:
1) Fighting
2) Bug
3) Ghost
4) Psychic
5) Steel
6) Grass
7) Fire
8) Dark

Then, I'd like to see an Elite 4 based around strategy instead of type. Maybe Sun, Rain, Hail and Sandstorm with a Trick Room Champion?

Originally Posted by szmty

Everyone seems to be bored of Water gyms. There haven't been a Generation without them. Hate me if you want but I say that there shouldn't be a Water gym, but a Water Elite Four instead. It has never been done.

Wallace was the Champion in Emerald.

I would really want a Dark type gym (for my Scraggy will outdo them in no time, lol). And not more I can think of at this moment.

I've no specific ideas for gym types, but I'd absolutely love to see gyms not having a particular order, like in most if not all games before BW. Seriously, the Nimbasa Stadium and Court trainers can have higher levels/more Pokémon depending on your badges, but gym leaders have the same levels/Pokémon throughout?

Oh yes, and gym leaders who aren't complete type-sticklers (like Sabrina, DP Candice, DP Volkner) would be welcome too. Move spam should not be a viable strategy in any gym.

Figure I may as well throw in my own Gym wishlist too :P

Gym 01 ~ Bug Gym//Female Leader ~ I think Bug's a pretty good choice for a first Gym, especially if they use the local regional bug plus one extra, serving as nice gentle introduction to the concept of Gyms for new players. Having a female leader will give older fans something new to see here too.

Gym 02 ~ Grass Gym//Male Leader ~ Grass is pretty under-rated Gym-wise imo. Don't get me wrong, I love Erika and Gardenia, but they're both pretty underwhelming imo. Also, Grass as a type serves as a nice follow-up to the Bug Gym too and can be made diverse enough to give players more of a challenge. I'd prefer a male Leader for a change. I know that Cilan is a male Grass Gym Leader, but I don't really count him as too much of a specialist in the type.

Gym 03 ~ Ground Gym//Female Leader ~ Having Bug and Grass as the first two, Ground makes a good change of pace for people relying too much on their Fires and Flyers for the first too Gyms. I'd really like to see a female Leader here, maybe someone like an Egyptian styled beauty queen, almost counterpart to Elesa.

Gym 04 ~ Steel Gym//Female Leader ~ I'd like to see Steel used again, but with a really strong, muscular female Gym Leader.

Gym 05 ~ Ghost Gym//Male Leader ~ I think the Ghost type, like Grass, is pretty under-rated actually. In all honesty, Morty and Fantina didn't really come across as actual specialists in the type more beyond their names. Morty is apparently known as the "mystic seer of the future" and, to me, that suits more a Psychic specialist and, with regards to Fantina, I think they really could've given her any type and it would've been fine - there was no reason iirc for her Ghost type specialism. Plus, in Gen I we had a Ghost E4 member, Gen II a Ghost Gym, Gen III a Ghost E4 member, Gen IV a Ghost Gym and then in Gen V a Ghost E4 member - going with a Ghost gym again in this Gen would see that pattern continue and I like details like that.

Gym 06 ~ Poison Gym//Male Leader ~ I'd really like to see a new Male Poison specialist now that Koga is not a Gym Leader. I'd also like to see them take the Poison trainer away from what's previously been done with Poison specialists - ninjas, a rocker and the majority of the villainous team grunts. What I want is something gentler for this trainer and his Gym.

Gym 07 ~ Dark Gym//Female Leader ~ So we've had three E4 members using Dark types, one female and two males. I'd like to see a female Dark specialist for all the reasons everyone has already listed.

Gym 08 ~ Normal Gym//Male Leader ~ I want Normal to be the last Gym because, as someone stated earlier, I really think it deserves more recognition. Normal Pokémon, imo, feel super under-rated and under-used. There is so much potential, but really most of the Pokémon this type (single-typed ones I mean) are largely pretty useless battle-wise. I'm electing a Male leader simply to balance out the genders of the Gym Leaders :P


As for the E4 (cos I might as well throw this in here too), I'd like to see:

E4 01 ~ Flying type//Male ~ someone with a high-end cool factor, maybe some rich go-getter who just can't get enough of a thrill.

E4 02 ~ Electric type//Female ~ someone who breaks the stereotype, opposite of Elesa, like a mechanic or electrician... kinda like an Electric type Maylene.

E4 03 ~ Rock type//Female ~ I'd love to see Rock type get Elite status given the kind-of status it currently has with its specialists - all were the first Gym Leaders of their regions and I wanna see that change.

E4 04 ~ Ice type//Male ~ I want to see Ice get E4 again for similar reasons to Ghost getting a Gym. Every Gen has had an Ice type specialist, three have been Gym Leaders and two have been members of the Elite Four. I'd like that evened out and kept for tradition/pattern's sake.


As an additional note, someone previously had suggested seeing double battle Gym Leaders again (like Tate and Liza). My only request is that, if they do do this gain, make them of two differing types as opposed to both using the same. More specifically, make them opposing types like Poison and Ground or Water and Fire - something really tough and challenging. I'd also like to maybe see this concept stretched into the E4 or the Champion - it'd be awesome to have two Champions who battled together using opposing types!!

Option 1
Gyms:
1.Striaton gym type- with ice(grass starter) electric(water) and rock(fire) elementary monkey. maybe female connoisseurs.
2.Steel gym- A Nerd type like FH Throton
3.Grass type- A male energetic hippie
4.Fighting type- A Summo wrestler girl
5.Fire type - a circus guy with flame rings
6.Psychic - a Fortune teller or grandma
7.Poison -
8. Dark - male leader Lord of Darknes type

E4
1.Flying - Happy outgoing male in a Bird costume
2.Dragon - A female Drayden harsh and strong
3.Ghost - male
4.Ground - female archeologist

option 2.
gyms
1. rock
2. steel
3.Fighting
4.Psychic
5.Grass
6.Fire
7.Bug
8.Dark

E4
1. Flying
2. Electric
3. Dragon
4. Ice

Option 3
16 different gyms split between X and Y. U get 8 gyms pro game and unlock the other gyms when U defeat the League.

E4 or League
Battles 4 of Ur rivals, maybe a evil boss in League, stat trainers , PWT tournament winners who derstroyed U there,or some famous trainers and than the Champion.

Based on trailer #1...Grass, Fire, Bug

Originally Posted by Joshawott

Originally Posted by szmty

Everyone seems to be bored of Water gyms. There haven't been a Generation without them. Hate me if you want but I say that there shouldn't be a Water gym, but a Water Elite Four instead. It has never been done.

Wallace was the Champion in Emerald.

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that. Well, technically he isn't part of the Elite Four :P But you're right.

Originally Posted by Laterna

Figure I may as well throw in my own Gym wishlist too :P

Gym 01 ~ Bug Gym//Female Leader ~ I think Bug's a pretty good choice for a first Gym, especially if they use the local regional bug plus one extra, serving as nice gentle introduction to the concept of Gyms for new players. Having a female leader will give older fans something new to see here too.

Gym 02 ~ Grass Gym//Male Leader ~ Grass is pretty under-rated Gym-wise imo. Don't get me wrong, I love Erika and Gardenia, but they're both pretty underwhelming imo. Also, Grass as a type serves as a nice follow-up to the Bug Gym too and can be made diverse enough to give players more of a challenge. I'd prefer a male Leader for a change. I know that Cilan is a male Grass Gym Leader, but I don't really count him as too much of a specialist in the type.

Gym 03 ~ Ground Gym//Female Leader ~ Having Bug and Grass as the first two, Ground makes a good change of pace for people relying too much on their Fires and Flyers for the first too Gyms. I'd really like to see a female Leader here, maybe someone like an Egyptian styled beauty queen, almost counterpart to Elesa.

Gym 04 ~ Steel Gym//Female Leader ~ I'd like to see Steel used again, but with a really strong, muscular female Gym Leader.

Gym 05 ~ Ghost Gym//Male Leader ~ I think the Ghost type, like Grass, is pretty under-rated actually. In all honesty, Morty and Fantina didn't really come across as actual specialists in the type more beyond their names. Morty is apparently known as the "mystic seer of the future" and, to me, that suits more a Psychic specialist and, with regards to Fantina, I think they really could've given her any type and it would've been fine - there was no reason iirc for her Ghost type specialism. Plus, in Gen I we had a Ghost E4 member, Gen II a Ghost Gym, Gen III a Ghost E4 member, Gen IV a Ghost Gym and then in Gen V a Ghost E4 member - going with a Ghost gym again in this Gen would see that pattern continue and I like details like that.

Gym 06 ~ Poison Gym//Male Leader ~ I'd really like to see a new Male Poison specialist now that Koga is not a Gym Leader. I'd also like to see them take the Poison trainer away from what's previously been done with Poison specialists - ninjas, a rocker and the majority of the villainous team grunts. What I want is something gentler for this trainer and his Gym.

Gym 07 ~ Dark Gym//Female Leader ~ So we've had three E4 members using Dark types, one female and two males. I'd like to see a female Dark specialist for all the reasons everyone has already listed.

Gym 08 ~ Normal Gym//Male Leader ~ I want Normal to be the last Gym because, as someone stated earlier, I really think it deserves more recognition. Normal Pokémon, imo, feel super under-rated and under-used. There is so much potential, but really most of the Pokémon this type (single-typed ones I mean) are largely pretty useless battle-wise. I'm electing a Male leader simply to balance out the genders of the Gym Leaders :P


As for the E4 (cos I might as well throw this in here too), I'd like to see:

E4 01 ~ Flying type//Male ~ someone with a high-end cool factor, maybe some rich go-getter who just can't get enough of a thrill.

E4 02 ~ Electric type//Female ~ someone who breaks the stereotype, opposite of Elesa, like a mechanic or electrician... kinda like an Electric type Maylene.

E4 03 ~ Rock type//Female ~ I'd love to see Rock type get Elite status given the kind-of status it currently has with its specialists - all were the first Gym Leaders of their regions and I wanna see that change.

E4 04 ~ Ice type//Male ~ I want to see Ice get E4 again for similar reasons to Ghost getting a Gym. Every Gen has had an Ice type specialist, three have been Gym Leaders and two have been members of the Elite Four. I'd like that evened out and kept for tradition/pattern's sake.


As an additional note, someone previously had suggested seeing double battle Gym Leaders again (like Tate and Liza). My only request is that, if they do do this gain, make them of two differing types as opposed to both using the same. More specifically, make them opposing types like Poison and Ground or Water and Fire - something really tough and challenging. I'd also like to maybe see this concept stretched into the E4 or the Champion - it'd be awesome to have two Champions who battled together using opposing types!!

I agree with everything you posted. It all makes sense and for a great change to the gym leaders and E:4/Champion.

@Garland; honestly the fire area seems more like an Elite Four, Champion or mountain dungeon to me.

Originally Posted by Garland

Based on trailer #1...Grass, Fire, Bug

Like the user above me had said the pillars of fire are just too over done for a gym. The room also seems very high, much higher than any gyms. If a gym is high it tends to involve a linear puzzle to progress from top to bottom. Plus the lack of trainers in the one area don't help it. I'd say either villainous team or Elite 4. Maybe Champion even.

Originally Posted by Joshawott

Then, I'd like to see an Elite 4 based around strategy instead of type. Maybe Sun, Rain, Hail and Sandstorm with a Trick Room Champion?

Oh yes, this is something I'd definitely like to see. It would make you think more about what you do and how to get around things (unless you just sweep through the teams cause you're already overpowered or something) rather than just thinking about type matchups. I think a weather-based E4 with a TR Champion could give off a more serious attempt to a battle/competitive-like feeling, and I'm all for that.

I mean, even if you're a "specialist of a specific type", only using Pokemon of that type only gets you so far.

Well, not particularly thrilled about another potential Bug gym leader since we've had one for the last few games. But that could change depending on if we get some neat new Bug-types to fill the gym with, plus an interesting gym leader themselves.

The house does seem like it could be Psychic, but I have no idea. I'm fine with a Psychic gym because that means no Psychic-type elite four member.

Not sure about the tree; it does look like it could be a puzzle. So maybe a Grass gym is in.

Like someone earlier posted, I'm wondering if they are going to repeat the Striaton gym in BW terms of having the first gym be the gym strongest against our starter. B2W2 decided to go neutral with Normal, so maybe they considered it was too challenging for beginngers, I'm not sure. I don't particularly care if we do get it or not, but I wonder whether they would consider it good and want to reuse it for the start of another new gen.

I wouldn't mind another Poison gym aslong as there are decent Poison-types in the region for them to use.

Originally Posted by Zeb

Well, not particularly thrilled about another potential Bug gym leader since we've had one for the last few games. But that could change depending on if we get some neat new Bug-types to fill the gym with, plus an interesting gym leader themselves.

The house does seem like it could be Psychic, but I have no idea. I'm fine with a Psychic gym because that means no Psychic-type elite four member.

Not sure about the tree; it does look like it could be a puzzle. So maybe a Grass gym is in.

Like someone earlier posted, I'm wondering if they are going to repeat the Striaton gym in BW terms of having the first gym be the gym strongest against our starter. B2W2 decided to go neutral with Normal, so maybe they considered it was too challenging for beginngers, I'm not sure. I don't particularly care if we do get it or not, but I wonder whether they would consider it good and want to reuse it for the start of another new gen.

I wouldn't mind another Poison gym aslong as there are decent Poison-types in the region for them to use.

You should read @Eneci's post, it is only a few posts up.