Does building things on Minecraft count as artistical talent?
Does building things on Minecraft count as artistical talent?
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In the pre-launch discussion, it was decided that we would not officially close the Art forum to any particular type of submission. However it should be noted that anything that doesn't fit one of the standard categories could potentially not be an eligible submission. This is pretty much on a case to case basis.
Except memes. No. Just...
It's still really early in the process, but I get the feeling that the Art section makes it too easy for POkemon to be acquired. It undermines the story section in a way, because even a 10k story can take a few days to complete, but drawing for that Pokemon at an acceptable level can be managed by someone within half an hour basically.
And then, grading an Art submission is like a single paragraph or two, where as a Grade for a story is multiple paragraphs for a single criteria section (i.e. Plot, Grammar, etc). Plenty of thought went into this, I'm sure, but seeing it in action, idk I just feel doubtful about this and the way it is atm.
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The grading for art may look easier, but I feel the lower tiers of story-writing are easier, all things considered. Simple stories are 5-10k character stories where you can probably get a Pokemon even if it's the first story you've written. Here, we have a 100 point system where you need to have at least some knowledge of shadows and shading techniques to earn a 35, especially bearing in mind art teaching most students usually goes less in-depth than teaching for English language and grammar. People could easily swarm the story section with stories for Simple and Easiest rank Pokemon and probably get them with more consistency than they could here, unless everyone turned out to be artists as a hobby or side-job.
I've seen the opposite to Siless - I see this forum as an easier way to get the lower tiers of Pokémon while harder to get to the higher tiers. The only thing holding the stories back is the backlog and the time taken to grade, while curators only really need 15 or 20 minutes maximum to pump out a decent grade.
Well, I can write for a Medium level mon in a half hour. @_@ That doesn't mean we should make it more difficult for everyone else.
It's a completely different method than writing, and for some it may be easier, and others it may be harder. Catching Simples here is probably a bit easier overall than writing for one, but if we raise the score I don't think anyone but Morru is going to be able to capture anything. xD Drawing is just generally more fun than writing.
Only thing I can think of to properly fix the easiness is to increase the amount of point scoring images. As in: Simple needs 2, Medium needs 3, Hard needs 4, etc... but, up to Monbrey.
And yeah, these "grades" should be paid virtually nothing. 1-5k is way too high, as I've said before. It takes 5 minutes to type up a paragraph; $500 is the absolute max any of these should be paid.
Drawing isn't always easier. For example, anybody that's played iSketch with me can tell that I'm horrible at drawing. I've been trying to draw a Magikarp, one of the easiest ranked pokemon available, and it's been harder drawing it than it would be writing for the fish.
It's mainly just situational as to how easy it is to obtain these pokemon. Morru is able to pump out creative and skillfully-drawn drawings and obtain pokemon frequently, yes, but there are also some people who can pump out stories even faster. Besides, we shouldn't be punishing people for having artistic talent. If anything, we should encourage them to draw more and to draw more complex things.
Just curious, what about art colabs are these allowed?
I guess I will vouce my opinion.
For colabs I think the minimums for each pokemon should be raised by one. So for a simple mon you need to post two pieces of artwork made by BOTH ARTISTS TOGETHER and it has to get a higher score on both then usually.
Idk just an idea that would make it the section more fun?
This section just opened a few days ago. I think we have some slight balance issues that need to stabilize before we start adding more chemicals to the beaker.
What Emma said.
Difficulty of obtaining Pokemon seems easy right now, because people who have artistic talent are going for easy Pokemon as a "lets see what this Art section is all about" approach. If 5 people had attempted Stupefying on day 1, Art section would look crazy difficult. Yes, it will probably need balancing, but so far the 5-10 attempts at Simple Pokemon aren't enough of a sample.
As for grades, Emma, what would you suggest is worth more money? I can analyze art, but not much more than "Has shadows - yes. Correct shadows - no", which is why I personally will stick to grading the more computerized stuff. Maybe an example scaffold?
As for collabs, the whole concept seems stupid to me. If its real life art, then fair enough, you're right there working on it together. Otherwise you're just emailing and photoshopping stuff, and if it takes two people to do that then you shouldn't really be earning much for it, considering that this sort of thing will generally only earn lower points anyway. A skill cap of sorts.
Yeah, ditto - except opposite. I'm probably going to focus mainly on drawn stuff/maybe light graphics.
The only thing coming to mind that could possibly be worth something like 5k is an incredibly extensive analysis of an incredibly advanced image. Like something with a story, a theme, and massive amounts of detail. While you can teach someone how to write better, you can't really teach someone how to draw better. It's a motor skill. It develops with repetition. You can give advice on certain techniques, and point out fundamentals they may have missed, but in the end you can't really educate someone in the same way you can by critiquing a story.
This means there is much less to say, which means much less effort in curating. Which also means much less time someone has to wait for a 'grade'. This should result in much less pay.
If someone comes in here with some kind of masterpiece that a curator can talk about for days, then yeah, pay them more. I just don't think this would realistically ever happen. It's taken me all of 10 minutes to type up any of these art grades; getting anything more than $500 a piece wouldn't feel right. It would still total about 2k for less than an hour of my time. That seems more than fair to me.
While it's not clay, this is one of our examples in the test. Made it myself from paper.