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    Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Pope Francis I

    Arch Bishop of Buenos Aires Argentina

    The very first Latin American Pope, he is some one who is a very strong man, who is very much a man of the people as I am being told, including riding the bus everyday to work. He is also 76 years old.

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    Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Pope Francis I

    Arch Bishop of Buenos Aires Argentina

    The very first Latin American Pope, he is some one who is a very strong man, who is very much a man of the people as I am being told, including riding the bus everyday to work. He is also 76 years old.
    And here is a news story confirming it. Argentine Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio Elected Pope _ First Pontiff From Americas - ABC News

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    I love watching all the LGBT news sites I follow being like, "Hey guys, just so you know, he's also anti-gay!"

    It's like NO SHIT SHERLOCK. I would be surprised if they picked a Pope who wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    I love watching all the LGBT news sites I follow being like, "Hey guys, just so you know, he's also anti-gay!"

    It's like NO SHIT SHERLOCK. I would be surprised if they picked a Pope who wasn't.
    Well, there's anti-gay and there's anti-gay. There's zero chance right now of a pro-gay pope, but there was hope for one who hadn't made anti-gay rhetoric such a priority in his career. This guy got into a shouting match with the Argentinian government over gay marriage.

    It's a shame really, as he does seem to be an improvement in other areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikini Miltank View Post
    Well, there's anti-gay and there's anti-gay. There's zero chance right now of a pro-gay pope, but there was hope for one who hadn't made anti-gay rhetoric such a priority in his career. This guy got into a shouting match with the Argentinian government over gay marriage.

    It's a shame really, as he does seem to be an improvement in other areas.
    Ah, I wasn't aware he was that bad. The ones who aren't like "Hey he's still anti-gay!" seem to be like "Well at least he's not Benedict!" so I assumed he was better.

    But yeah, now that I'm reading quotes from him - sheesh.

    I think even lesser anti-gay popes weren't likely because the church seems to be trending more and more socially conservative ever since John Paul II, and the cardinals who have the clout to play a role in these decisions would presumably be those who are in agreement with those ideals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bikini Miltank View Post
    Well, there's anti-gay and there's anti-gay. There's zero chance right now of a pro-gay pope, but there was hope for one who hadn't made anti-gay rhetoric such a priority in his career. This guy got into a shouting match with the Argentinian government over gay marriage.

    It's a shame really, as he does seem to be an improvement in other areas.
    Ah, I wasn't aware he was that bad. The ones who aren't like "Hey he's still anti-gay!" seem to be like "Well at least he's not Benedict!" so I assumed he was better.

    But yeah, now that I'm reading quotes from him - sheesh.

    I think even lesser anti-gay popes weren't likely because the church seems to be trending more and more socially conservative ever since John Paul II, and the cardinals who have the clout to play a role in these decisions would presumably be those who are in agreement with those ideals.
    At least he wasn't a Nazi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikini Miltank View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    I love watching all the LGBT news sites I follow being like, "Hey guys, just so you know, he's also anti-gay!"

    It's like NO SHIT SHERLOCK. I would be surprised if they picked a Pope who wasn't.
    Well, there's anti-gay and there's anti-gay. There's zero chance right now of a pro-gay pope, but there was hope for one who hadn't made anti-gay rhetoric such a priority in his career. This guy got into a shouting match with the Argentinian government over gay marriage.

    It's a shame really, as he does seem to be an improvement in other areas.
    So... you are shocked that the Pope is catholic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lutz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bikini Miltank View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    I love watching all the LGBT news sites I follow being like, "Hey guys, just so you know, he's also anti-gay!"

    It's like NO SHIT SHERLOCK. I would be surprised if they picked a Pope who wasn't.
    Well, there's anti-gay and there's anti-gay. There's zero chance right now of a pro-gay pope, but there was hope for one who hadn't made anti-gay rhetoric such a priority in his career. This guy got into a shouting match with the Argentinian government over gay marriage.

    It's a shame really, as he does seem to be an improvement in other areas.
    So... you are shocked that the Pope is catholic?
    No, he's saying there's a difference between holding the anti-gay views that one would expect from a leader in the Catholic Church, and making them a huge personal priority. Everyone has pet issues, even cardinals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    [I think even lesser anti-gay popes weren't likely because the church seems to be trending more and more socially conservative ever since John Paul II, and the cardinals who have the clout to play a role in these decisions would presumably be those who are in agreement with those ideals.
    It's partly reactionary, I think. There was a time when the church didn't feel the need to talk about homosexuality much because it was just assumed that everyone agreed with them. Now the rest of the world is gradually coming around to the idea that it's actually fine, and so the church is suddenly out of line with mainstream thought in some countries, and it's freaking out.

    That said, I don't think it's a priority either way when selecting popes right now. Their main concerns are the child abuse coverups and the corruption allegations that hung over the last pope, and what they wanted was to find someone as far away from all of that as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    No, he's saying there's a difference between holding the anti-gay views that one would expect from a leader in the Catholic Church, and making them a huge personal priority. Everyone has pet issues, even cardinals.
    You do realize as a Cardinal that they uphold the beliefs of the church, and the beliefs of the religion, and the religion is not one to support Gay Marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lutz View Post
    So... you are shocked that the Pope is catholic?
    Did you actually read my post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikini Miltank View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lutz View Post
    So... you are shocked that the Pope is catholic?
    Did you actually read my post?
    Yes I did, as well as your latest post that is basically "The church needs to get on board because much of the world supports Gay Marriage". The problem with that is you expect religion to change just because views change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lutz View Post
    You do realize as a Cardinal that they uphold the beliefs of the church, and the beliefs of the religion, and the religion is not one to support Gay Marriage.
    The church opposes a lot of things. Some cardinals make noisy, hard-line opposition to certain things a bigger priority than others. Of course any cardinal under serious consideration is going to be tacitly anti-gay. But there are some who quietly follow the party line, and some who make it their personal crusade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lutz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    No, he's saying there's a difference between holding the anti-gay views that one would expect from a leader in the Catholic Church, and making them a huge personal priority. Everyone has pet issues, even cardinals.
    You do realize as a Cardinal that they uphold the beliefs of the church, and the beliefs of the religion, and the religion is not one to support Gay Marriage.
    Again, no one is saying that he wouldn't be expected to uphold the beliefs of the church.

    We're talking about if that is a cause where he'd put particular focus, as opposed to others.

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