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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaustic View Post
    I find the attraction to children by adults to be disturbing, and far worse than merely wishing someone to be punished by their own hand. You're entitled to your opinion, and I mine. (However, I am sorry for what happened to you.)
    I also find the attraction to children by adults disturbing, but that does not alter my disgust that people could so easily wish harm on another human being as a form of punishment (though they would call it justice.) I thought we, as a civilized people, were above that type of thing. Wishing harm on another person brings us down to the criminal's level. By doing this, we'd be no better than they.

    Oh, and I do thank you for your condolences. I learned to forgive my abuser, and over time, we did ultimately become good friends. I'm not a person to hold grudges. I find it to be a waste of too much time and energy. Life is too short and there are so many more important things to deal with.

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    And the rest of your post is playing to my point. That being that in your original question, the mother would not be guilty because of context. The law isn't as black and white as most assume.
    Apparently for some prosecutors it is, as illustrated in the examples I provided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay0173 View Post
    I also find the attraction to children by adults disturbing, but that does not alter my disgust that people could so easily wish harm on another human being as a form of punishment (though they would call it justice.) I thought we, as a civilized people, were above that type of thing. Wishing harm on another person brings us down to the criminal's level. By doing this, we'd be no better than they.
    A punishment is an action which dissuades people from acting in an "inappropriate", "wrong" or "bad" manner. In my opinion, the best justice there is is that which is fitting. A man who committed sex crimes against children and got off, well, in more ways than one... Somewhat deserves something like that to happen to him, so that he can perhaps learn by having his body exploited not to exploit the bodies of others (especially children). I mostly meant the remark to be darkly humorous, though obviously there is some truth to my sentiment. What brings us down to the level of the criminal, though, is committing a crime or actively seeking to inflict harm upon another ourselves. I don't see the harm in merely hoping for that retribution to befall him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay0173 View Post
    Oh, and I do thank you for your condolences. I learned to forgive my abuser, and over time, we did ultimately become good friends. I'm not a person to hold grudges. I find it to be a waste of too much time and energy. Life is too short and there are so many more important things to deal with.
    That's a very good attitude. I can't say that I would have forgiven the individual, but it's good that you're of the nature that you're able to forgive someone for something such as that. Though you are right that holding a grudge does no one any good.

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    Apparently for some prosecutors it is, as illustrated in the examples I provided.
    But for many, it isn't, which is where it can be speculated to be more of a gray area.

    That's neither here nor there, though. I do see what you mean.

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    The thread title really scared me for a second, I was about to loose all my faith in humanity.

    I still don't know how I feel about it though.

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    Misleading article title is misleading. :|

    I suggest a change to the title. Its pure sensationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaustic View Post
    A punishment is an action which dissuades people from acting in an "inappropriate", "wrong" or "bad" manner. In my opinion, the best justice there is is that which is fitting. A man who committed sex crimes against children and got off, well, in more ways than one... Somewhat deserves something like that to happen to him, so that he can perhaps learn by having his body exploited not to exploit the bodies of others (especially children). I mostly meant the remark to be darkly humorous, though obviously there is some truth to my sentiment. What brings us down to the level of the criminal, though, is committing a crime or actively seeking to inflict harm upon another ourselves. I don't see the harm in merely hoping for that retribution to befall him.
    While I agree that punishment is meant as a deterrent, I also view it as a vehicle for rehabilitation. A punishment is meaningless unless it helps to teach the offender the wrongness of their actions. A punishment which visits upon the offender the same violence as was inflicted on the victim can only serve to validate the offender's actions. It therefore does not rehabilitate and it does not teach them the wrongness of their actions.

    I recognize that it's human nature to want to see those who wronged us to feel our pain, but we should always be mindful of the old adage that states: two wrongs do not make a right. This is why Canada, the country I live in, does not punish murderers with death. It is as equally wrong for the state to kill the murderer as it was for the murderer to have killed someone. We may wish for the death of the murderer, but we do not give in to that desire because we know how wrong it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay0173 View Post
    While I agree that punishment is meant as a deterrent, I also view it as a vehicle for rehabilitation. A punishment is meaningless unless it helps to teach the offender the wrongness of their actions. A punishment which visits upon the offender the same violence as was inflicted on the victim can only serve to validate the offender's actions. It therefore does not rehabilitate and it does not teach them the wrongness of their actions.
    I disagree with this. If someone who steals something from a store is caught, and the punishment is for something of equivalent value to be taken from their possession in addition to having to pay a fine relative to the cost of the stolen goods, without them having the benefit of keeping the stolen goods; how likely do you believe it is for that person to continue stealing? Most criminals do not learn what they did is wrong by spending time in prison. The only ones who do learn something from it are those that bother to examine themselves and what they've become. Otherwise, they will justify anything they've done to themselves, regardless of anything else that befalls them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay0173 View Post
    I recognize that it's human nature to want to see those who wronged us to feel our pain, but we should always be mindful of the old adage that states: two wrongs do not make a right. This is why Canada, the country I live in, does not punish murderers with death. It is as equally wrong for the state to kill the murderer as it was for the murderer to have killed someone. We may wish for the death of the murderer, but we do not give in to that desire because we know how wrong it is.
    However, we also have the adage that states: an eye for an eye. This is why the United States (the country that I live in) does uphold the death penalty. The only thing I disagree with about the death penalty is when someone is put to death undeservedly. However, if someone has brutally murdered eighteen people; why should they be allowed to live themselves?

    On-topic: I do agree the title should be changed, because it is misleading.

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    I think its Horrible. But then at the same time it like this Effing creep is getting his fix and wont go out and perform his Fantasies. but then the kids he is looking at are tourtued everyday. is complicated. It may sound horrible but i'd rather have creeps look at pictures than go out and Rape children at the same time i think pedos should be sodomized by horses so they know how it feels.
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    This is horrible... Why would someone even THINK about doing something like this? Children are supposed to be innocent and free, not tortured just for entertainment. Hopefully this is never legalized in Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by In Soviet Russia View Post
    This is horrible... Why would someone even THINK about doing something like this? Children are supposed to be innocent and free, not tortured just for entertainment. Hopefully this is never legalized in Kansas.
    It will (almost certainly) never be legalized in any state - and it wasn't legalized in New York, by the way. The trouble here is that, in this particular case, there is no real proof that the defendant actually intentionally viewed the images - the evidence provided only proved that he visited a site, if only briefly, that hosted the offending images. If you've ever mistakenly clicked a link, saw what was on the page, and thought "OMG*!@O#$U@ ._." and immediately spammed the "BACK" button, your PC has likely cached some embarrassing things as well - but that doesn't mean you sought them out on purpose.

    The majority of the charges were upheld, but I for one think it was right to throw out the couple that were dismissed. Innocent until proven guilty. It seems unlikely, but it is conceivable that the images were cached on his PC by accident.

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    Okay, the title admittedly caught me off-guard and that's why I'm in this thread right now.
    If it was merely an accident, as others have said, it's completely reasonable that the charges were dropped. However, it's fairly easy to make up an "it was an accident" excuse without much effort, so I'm kind of in the middle here.

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    Looks like I'm moving to New York...

    I'm kidding (it would cost waaay too much to move). This is an interesting thing for an American state to do. I wonder if any other states will be influenced and do the same thing?

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    If a person just happen to find child porn by mistake, then I could understand that they would want all charges pressed on them lifted. But if that person is the making or viewing child porn on purpose, then that's just wrong.

    I don't have a particular say on this article or issue, although I think making or watching child pornography or having lust over children is disgusting , the title of this thread/article is very misleading.

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    Hypothetical situation here (although I know it does happen):

    13 year old girl receives a message on her cell phone. Upon opening the image she sees that it's from her 14 year old boyfriend who attached a picture of his gentials.

    Technically, this girl has broken the law by downloading and viewing child pornography (pre-ruling). Technically the boyfriend has broken the law by making and distributing child pornography.

    Does anyone think either of these two should be arrested and charged, and upon conviction be labeled as sex offenders for the rest of their lives?
    In theory, they could be charged, but I don't recall any major cases of it happening.
    Challenge accepted.


    I'm fine with this law. I'm not into kid porn or any porn really; maybe it'll keep soccer moms from rioting after seeing an image of Pedobear somewhere, or if someone digs hentai, which as most of you know sometimes involves underage boys and girls (at least underage by America's standards). So long as real children aren't involved, it doesn't bother me. But I never want to see a young child in that kind of a situation. Hell, I don't want to see anyone in that kind of a situation, and it not be consensual. Forcing anyone to do anything they don't feel comfortable doing is not okay by me.

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    Honestly I think Pedophiles should be hanged... be a good way to prevent it I think... same for Rapist and Murders (ones done in cold blood self-defense is self defense) or at tge very least be castrated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Articwolf10 View Post
    Honestly I think Pedophiles should be hanged... be a good way to prevent it I think... same for Rapist and Murders (ones done in cold blood self-defense is self defense) or at tge very least be castrated
    That's pretty extreme don't you think? Sending them to a rehabilitation center is more like it depending if their minds are easily cured.

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