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    Default Re: Muammar Gaddafi finally captured

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Figment View Post
    French air force stopped Gaddafi convoy - minister - Yahoo!

    Gaddafi apparently tried to run away again but his convoy was stopped by French airstrikes.

    Score one for the cheese-eating surrender monkeys
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    Default Re: Muammar Gaddafi finally captured

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Figment View Post
    French air force stopped Gaddafi convoy - minister - Yahoo!

    Gaddafi apparently tried to run away again but his convoy was stopped by French airstrikes.

    Score one for the cheese-eating surrender monkeys
    Gotta hand it to the French, they have been pushing this since day one, and as such they do deserve all of the accolades that go with this victory.

    Although to be fair I would have liked to have seen Gaddafi on trial. Unlike say Osama Bin Laden who's crimes are well known to the world. Gaddafi is pretty much seen by the western world as insane but not a real threat. The crimes he committed against the Libyan people deserve to come to light, and with out a trial they more than likely will be swept away into the dust bin of history for the rest of the world.

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    Default Re: Muammar Gaddafi finally captured

    hmm i think the thread name should be changed because he is dead
    now we wont have to worry about finding him anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lutz View Post
    Gotta hand it to the French, they have been pushing this since day one, and as such they do deserve all of the accolades that go with this victory.

    Although to be fair I would have liked to have seen Gaddafi on trial. Unlike say Osama Bin Laden who's crimes are well known to the world. Gaddafi is pretty much seen by the western world as insane but not a real threat. The crimes he committed against the Libyan people deserve to come to light, and with out a trial they more than likely will be swept away into the dust bin of history for the rest of the world.
    Well, the International Courts still want Gaddafi's son, so there's always the hope that he'll be captured and put on trial.

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    From reading around a few sources, it seems that the official Libyan story is that Gaddifi was killed while being taken away from the scene where he was captured, when the ambulance was caught in crossfire between NTC troops and loyalists.

    From which we can probably infer that he was executed by his escorts when some loyalists got too close to them, so there could be no risk of them possibly rescuing him like his sons were in Tripoli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay0173 View Post
    Dictators like Gaddafi are like school-yard bullies. Tough and adversarial when surrounded by a group of friends, but cowards when confronted alone.
    As much as I disagree with Kadaffi's policies, I don't think that's a fair thing to say. He knew he was boned with no chance of escape, so he gave himself up peacefully when surrounded.

    If you were in his shoes... your convoy of closest friends bombed to pieces in an air strike, your colleagues dead, both of your legs broken... what would you do? Go down fighting in that condition? No, you'd say "Hey, don't shoot me man. You've got me."

    It's a shame he didn't live long enough to stand trial though. That would have been the final middle finger the Libyan people could have thrown at him, making him relive and remember all of his past crimes before being executed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katelynn View Post
    As much as I disagree with Kadaffi's policies, I don't think that's a fair thing to say. He knew he was boned with no chance of escape, so he gave himself up peacefully when surrounded.
    Oh, it's more than fair to say he was a coward. As a military leader, accustomed to battling along side his troops, Gaddafi exhibited his true character when the rebels advanced on the capital. Instead of fighting with the loyalists, he chose instead to hide away while directing his troops to continue to fight. And when the capital was taken, he fled, again directing his supporters to fight for him while he left. Now, I don't know about you, but to me, that's cowardice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaic View Post
    From reading around a few sources, it seems that the official Libyan story is that Gaddifi was killed while being taken away from the scene where he was captured, when the ambulance was caught in crossfire between NTC troops and loyalists.

    From which we can probably infer that he was executed by his escorts when some loyalists got too close to them, so there could be no risk of them possibly rescuing him like his sons were in Tripoli.
    I think he was simply captured with wounds too severe for him to survive already.

    Otherwise, I doubt the revolutionaries would kill him. If anything, they simply weren't elite enough (as is believable) to shield a valuable quarry from fire.

    Otherwise, Qaddafi alive would've been of tremendous value.
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    This is my belief: Only a coward strikes first.

    It's telling that when this revolution began, Gaddafi was not out front leading his troops. He hid. When the rebels took the capital, he didn't stay to fight. He ran.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay0173 View Post
    [...]As a military leader [1], accustomed to battling along side his troops [1], Gaddafi exhibited his true character when the rebels advanced on the capital. Instead of fighting with the loyalists [2/3], he chose instead to hide away while directing his troops to continue to fight [3]. And when the capital was taken, he fled [3/4], again directing his supporters to fight for him while he left. Now, I don't know about you, but to me, that's cowardice.
    A military leader? Ugh.

    1--I don't know what either of these phrases is supposed to mean, and I don't think I want to.
    2--Qaddafi's loyalists couldn't be more loyal to Qaddafi than Qaddafi. In this regard, Qaddafi is exceptionally exceptional.
    3--I don't think you know how war is fought these days, if you even know how war was fought at any point in time at all. Regardless, modernly, no military officer with especially high rank marches into combat, and certainly no head of any state does so. Nor have leaders, for at least the last 200 years, ever been required, advised, or expected to remain in battle zones.
    4--Who in their right mind, if they were Qaddafi in that moment, wouldn't? (As well, I don't he fled exactly when the capitol was taken--if that were the case, then Qaddafi was either stupid or brave. It'd probably be some time before, like after his HQ was hit by NATO airstrikes: Qaddafi was, after all, not just fighting a completely internal revolution, but an internal revolution aided by Western nations while he himself was limited by those same nations. Ultimately, I don't think he was forced out of Tripoli by Libyans.)

    I did not remain silent to your first reply to me before because your argument had any profound weight. I still hold that it is useless to malign an already maligned character, just as useless as it is to kick some earth over someone's grave. (You're also not that great a psychologist.) It's an insult, for one, to those who actually cared about Libya over the last 8-10 months. It's also blatantly unreal to just dismiss a huge historical menace as "a coward."
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    Quote Originally Posted by League View Post
    I think he was simply captured with wounds too severe for him to survive already.

    Otherwise, I doubt the revolutionaries would kill him. If anything, they simply weren't elite enough (as is believable) to shield a valuable quarry from fire.

    Otherwise, Qaddafi alive would've been of tremendous value.
    He died from a bullet in the side of the head which he didn't have before. Far more likely they executed him before he could be rescued. Tremendous value alive is no value if someone takes him off you.
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    @Archaic Even now there's still many accounts out there--but one that I just found off Google says that he was executed in the streets, not in a conflict at all, but at the will of his captors. Such is certainly one of the newest accounts, and it offers video that does seem to display Qaddafi.
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    If that's the video I think you're referring to, he's still alive at the end of that, and you can tell he doesn't yet have the gunshot wound to the head that killed him.
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    One thing which my Mum has been annoyed with all day, is that the front page of numerous papers are showing Gaddafi's corpse...er...children go to news agents as well?

    Also, The Sun's headline: "That's for Lockerbie!"...er...from what I hear, it wasn't the UK or US that killed him.

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    It took me a huge while to compose this post, so I can't even say that I was ninja'd. (It'd be a disservice to ninjas.) Well, this post continues discussion with Archaic.

    Well, I think you should abandon your narrative, and simply adopt uncertainty. The link I gave earlier (meh, provided again here) starts out detailing events taking place in Sirte. Per this report, he dies in the hands of his captors on their way out of Sirte (en route to Misrata) during a crossfire. (Misrata isn't mentioned as the destination in the second link.) That last link probably best gives the shakiness of all narratives: they are all almost impossible to resolve and merge otherwise.

    The first link also mentions Misrata (Qaddafi's body [corpse?] on parade there), Qaddafi presumably easily being dead by the time he's there. Per that link, there's nothing indicating Qaddafi was killed in a crossfire or attack of any kind.

    The second link generally is the narrative you've seemed to have adopted. It is most strange, because I've heard of Qaddafi having wounds in his legs.

    Ultimately, I think that without footage and the work of qualified forensic experts (i.e., Americans), we won't know a lot for a while. (I was gonna use this set of parenthes()s for something...)

    Quote Originally Posted by Joshawott View Post
    One thing which my Mum has been annoyed with all day, is that the front page of numerous papers are showing Gaddafi's corpse...er...children go to news agents as well?

    Also, The Sun's headline: "That's for Lockerbie!"...er...from what I hear, it wasn't the UK or US that killed him.
    The Arab Spring was a western conspiracy that culminated [successfully] in the death of Qaddafi. Duh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Figment View Post
    French air force stopped Gaddafi convoy - minister - Yahoo!

    Gaddafi apparently tried to run away again but his convoy was stopped by French airstrikes.

    Score one for the cheese-eating surrender monkeys
    There was a U.S. drone involved.
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    I never knew who he was, then again, I mostly don't pay attention to things like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterge77 View Post
    I never knew who he was, then again, I mostly don't pay attention to things like this.
    He was the leader of the Lybia, who was known for being eccentric and cruel, and who ordered the Lockerbie Bombing.

    Lots of people hated him, then there was a civil war that drove him out of the capital.
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