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But you haven't.I bet I could find 1/5th of the country HEAVILY hate George W Bush.
1/5th is not a small minority.There is always going to be a small minority of a political wing that really hates the grand figure of the other.
I never supported the sexism (though I've seen very little of it in the wake of her death, for what it's worth). The hatred, however, is entirely justified, I think.Sure I agree with that, for what she had to do to bring Britain out of it's decline would make anyone a divisive figure, but that doesn't make one worthy of the sexism and hatred directed toward her.
I don't need to decide things solely based on Twitter (not that I ever claimed to); the poll evidence already shows that ~1/5th of the country hate her, and as I've said before that's more than a small majority. A large minority of UK citizens hate her--case closed.Also my point was that how things are trending on twitter is a bad way to decide how a country feels about a person.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- George W. Bush | Gallup Historical Trends
For any politician you are going to hit a rock bottom low, and a ceiling that involves people who will hate that politician no matter what.
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Personally I'm not bothered what people feel about her, but people on both sides really should bear the public in mind and not throw things at the police in my opinion.
If the country was as radically against her as those that are partying, even if a large minority was against her with the same level of hatred as those partying, wouldn't we be seeing much larger numbers?
the whole point was those that are actually acting out are a small minority. The fact that as you said, only 300 people showed up, shows that no matter what people feel about her, it is only a small group of people showing off.
We shouldn't be seeing people partying anyway! As I've said, it was a highly unusual, unprecedented situation, so seeing even a "paltry" 300 or so per city, with several cities taking party, is a testament to how reviled she was. It's like handwaving away concerns about public dissatisfaction with a regime because the riots breaking out are only a mere several hundred in number.
Also, I never said the whole country was radically against her, as I recognise how polemic she was, and that she does have her supporters, so it makes sense that the entire country wouldn't be swept up into the antics (much as I would like)
Well what do you expect? It's a pretty arbitrary title; there aren't any objective limits for what counts as a small or large minority. That said, it's usually implied to mean that a negligible portion of the population is involved. As I said, 1 in 5 people is already a pretty significant amount, and that's only the people who think she was very bad for the country. At least 1 in 3 dislike her, which you yourself admit is not a small minority, at least. Furthermore, her supporters only account for 50%, so it's not even like an large majority are in favour of her.
You're splitting hairs now. Even without an exactly even split, half the country like her, a third dislike her. That's a big division, ergo, she is a very divisive figure.
No you haven't. As far as I recall, you mentioned that an approval rating of ~20% at some point during one's career isn't uncommon, and that's true, but 20% satisfaction during power is not the same as 20% heavily hating you years after the fact. Not only is the depth of sentiment is greater, but the latter is more representative of people's true feelings. During power, things are still happening that can change people's minds, but decades after it's all already over people have made up their minds. In fact, they should be even more sympathetic due to a combination of time passing & sympathy for the politician's ailing condition. And yet, in spite of all this, 1 in 5 still hold a grudge, and I for one think that's a very big deal in the political sphere.And again I have explained that 1 in 5 people is not really a big thing in the political sphere.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- George W. Bush | Gallup Historical Trends
See below.For any politician you are going to hit a rock bottom low, and a ceiling that involves people who will hate that politician no matter what.
59%? If a large majority is defined as 2/3rds+, then during Thatcher's entire political career (and after, judging by the poll), she never gained widespread approval. Bush, by contrast, managed a whopping 90% at his high point, which is much higher than the Iron Lady's, and he was an international joke!
Whilst it's true that every politician has their highs and their lows in their career, Thatcher's lows were particularly so, especially for the time, and her highs were far from impressive. At best, she was never well-liked by the large majority of people, and at worst was deeply reviled, and the situation remains largely the same today. As the poll evidence attests, whilst many (25%) loved her, almost as many hated her (20%), and to date no other politician has ever been as loathed or left as much of an impression on the national consciousness as Thatcher did. No matter which camp you sit in, it is indisputable that she was, and still remains to be, the most hated political figure in UK history.
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I think it's sad that she died. I mean, she was suffering from dementia, which must feel awful. I do have a lot of respect for her, but of course I'd never talk about her in front of a real-life British person. (I have a lot of contempt for England anyway.)
Margaret Thatcher was truly an inspiring politician who spoke plainly no matter what people thought of her, and lead her nation out of the dark depths of socialism (even if, as she observed, they were only able to "loosen the corset of socialism, but not remove it" entirely). People should really learn from her- especially the European nations still gripped by the iron grip of socialism, and our own politicians on both sides of the isle who seem to believe that the welfare state is sustainable.
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The Irish hate her because the IRA went into prison and were quite pissed when they found out that they weren't political prisinors. They asked Maggie for a pardon, but she said no. So the IRA, including Bobby Sands, went on hunger strike in March 1981, and all died in May. There was great outrage in Ireland, and that was the end of her popularity in the Emerald Isle. I may be from the country where the Troubles happened (namely Ireland), but I don't hate Maggie for that. I hate the IRA and any other terror groups. I hate Maggie because of her insults to the Irish, and I quote:
"You can't trust the Irish, they're all lairs" WRONG, MAGGIE! I AM NO LAIR!
Although I don't hate her so much that I celebrate her death. I'm not THAT sick.
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