Thread: Warrior Cats Mafia [ENDGAME - The Dark Forest and AlaskaPigeon wins!] [8.15.12]

Originally Posted by Ryuutakeshi

We're not supposed to roleplay our characters or give hints to their identities. I don't think her posting style has anything to do with anything.
[MENTION=36832]Neonsands[/MENTION]; I voted because while it was a random vote, it was a random vote without an ounce of justification given. Not even a, "Just to get things rolling," kind of response. Her reasoning was, "just because." Because is not a reason. Because is what people say when they don't want to say what they really mean. And I'm only holding the vote on her until I get some kind of defense or reasoning. All I'm getting are liked posts.

Since that is just how Jolty posts. I guess it isn't a post restriction. My money is on Jolty just being overwhelmed. She comes into her first game and does what the person before her did, only to be picked out. She's asked to defend herself, but he likely doesn't know how to do that. She doesn't have any experience with it after all. It's a lot easier to just give up and think you did something wrong. You guys are berating her after all, and bandwagoning for no good reason.

Now, back to your reasoning. You claim her reasoning was a "just because", and that's why you voted her. You see, this is funny because the person who voted before you voted for Jolty and then used the reasoning of "just because" exactly. Why not pick them out? Why did you tag your vote onto Jolty specifically. Even the vote right beforehand had some made up reasoning about strawberries. Why not that one? As much as you want to say it, your whole vote came down to Jolty voting for Rayne.

Now, the question is why. I can see three reasonings. 1. You're mafia buddies. 2. You're bringing friendship into the game. 3. Your role requires you to specifically protect Rayne.

1. I could see it, however you're experienced enough to know that one random vote won't start anything. So I see this as unlikely.

2. Kind of hypocritical if true, seeing as you made that big stink about it before (granted, you were right to do so since that case was ridiculous). This seems the most likely.

3. I've only seen this role once around here, and it was my role as an independent. Possible, but unlikely.

Now for your final point. It wouldn't have mattered if she had said "just to get the ball rolling" or not. You would have seen that in the exact same light because she voted for Rayne. There was no way for anybody to have reasoning at that point. The people voted for hadn't even posted yet. It was a completely random vote that you blew out of proportion. Now we have a bandwagon on a new player who probably won't be back for a second game because she got attacked for doing nothing wrong.

So my vote remains, and this is equally as large a mistake as ever.

Originally Posted by Neonsands

Now, the question is why. I can see three reasonings. 1. You're mafia buddies. 2. You're bringing friendship into the game. 3. Your role requires you to specifically protect Rayne.

1. I could see it, however you're experienced enough to know that one random vote won't start anything. So I see this as unlikely. Considering how I've been seeing other people play lately, I would argue that one random vote can easily start something. And hey, look. It did in this game too.

2. Kind of hypocritical if true, seeing as you made that big stink about it before (granted, you were right to do so since that case was ridiculous). This seems the most likely. I do so appreciate being called a hypocrite. Makes me feel feel all nice and tingly inside. Okay, Neonsands, to say that the most likely solution is that I'm being a hypocrite is incredibly over the line. I have explained my reason for voting Jolty twice already. Yeah, I know there were other votes on the table that were random. The point is that Jolty's, out of all of those, struck me as the most scummy. Now, we could argue personal interpretations of a gut feeling on the summiness or lack thereof in other players until the cows come how, but the point is that the only thing my friendship with Rayne had to do with this is that I was a little annoyed that he was the random target for no reason. Maybe my initial reaction was fueled by outside influences, but when I voted I was doing so because I wanted to get a better reason than that. And clearly Tris79 was voting Jolty for the same reasons as I was. I do not like seeing people who randomly vote and give no reason for doing so. There was no bandwagon. There was no evidence on the table. There was just a random vote thrown out there for player just because... of something. and I would like to know what the something is.

3. I've only seen this role once around here, and it was my role as an independent. Possible, but unlikely. And if we were I wouldn't admit to it.

Your stubborn defense of Jolty is admirable, but it also makes YOU look bad. You can say what you want about us "scaring her off" for doing nothing wrong, but that is simply not the case. She's going through, liking everyone's posts, and not bothering to say anything, not even a "you guys are mean." She's saying nothing. And that continues to surprised and interest me. Why is she being so quiet in thread save the like spamming? At this point I don't even care if she voted for Rayne or not. I want to get something out of her to explain this. Because clearly I'm too much of a hypocrite to understand it.

Okay, so. After reading everything, I have come to the following conclusion: We are all hypocrites.

As usual, I don't advocate a Day-1 random lynch. However, be it known that my suspicions lie with Scarlet Enchantress and Dark Victini, not for starting a bandwagon, but for hopping on it.

If you guys are set on a lynch, however, I would suggest lynching myself. While it won't necessarily reveal anything new to me, it'll make things more interesting and probably easier for the rest of you. Not quite sure how well it'll work, but I know that it'll work.

so your asking us to lynch you? if you ask us to, why would we?

Originally Posted by America*

[MENTION=40095]Gotpika[/MENTION];

Would you like to sub for Hawkeye?

sure

Originally Posted by Ryuutakeshi

Originally Posted by Neonsands

Now, the question is why. I can see three reasonings. 1. You're mafia buddies. 2. You're bringing friendship into the game. 3. Your role requires you to specifically protect Rayne.

1. I could see it, however you're experienced enough to know that one random vote won't start anything. So I see this as unlikely. Considering how I've been seeing other people play lately, I would argue that one random vote can easily start something. And hey, look. It did in this game too.

2. Kind of hypocritical if true, seeing as you made that big stink about it before (granted, you were right to do so since that case was ridiculous). This seems the most likely. I do so appreciate being called a hypocrite. Makes me feel feel all nice and tingly inside. Okay, Neonsands, to say that the most likely solution is that I'm being a hypocrite is incredibly over the line. I have explained my reason for voting Jolty twice already. Yeah, I know there were other votes on the table that were random. The point is that Jolty's, out of all of those, struck me as the most scummy. Now, we could argue personal interpretations of a gut feeling on the summiness or lack thereof in other players until the cows come how, but the point is that the only thing my friendship with Rayne had to do with this is that I was a little annoyed that he was the random target for no reason. Maybe my initial reaction was fueled by outside influences, but when I voted I was doing so because I wanted to get a better reason than that. And clearly Tris79 was voting Jolty for the same reasons as I was. I do not like seeing people who randomly vote and give no reason for doing so. There was no bandwagon. There was no evidence on the table. There was just a random vote thrown out there for player just because... of something. and I would like to know what the something is.

3. I've only seen this role once around here, and it was my role as an independent. Possible, but unlikely. And if we were I wouldn't admit to it.

Your stubborn defense of Jolty is admirable, but it also makes YOU look bad. You can say what you want about us "scaring her off" for doing nothing wrong, but that is simply not the case. She's going through, liking everyone's posts, and not bothering to say anything, not even a "you guys are mean." She's saying nothing. And that continues to surprised and interest me. Why is she being so quiet in thread save the like spamming? At this point I don't even care if she voted for Rayne or not. I want to get something out of her to explain this. Because clearly I'm too much of a hypocrite to understand it.

You're not a hypocrite. I don't know you well enough to make any kind of accusation like that. Nor would I attack you like that. My point is that your reasoning for voting someone shouldn't be influenced by who you want to play with. I hope it isn't and instead you guys are both mafia. This will make life easier down the road, but I just don't understand any other way you could have picked Jolty's vote out of three similar ones.

Your entire reasoning was that it was a random vote with no support. So were the other two votes beforehand. That means you started a bandwagon by hopping onto a vote that was placed under the same logic as your reason you voted for Jolty. It doesn't make sense. And it isn't obvious Tris voted for the same reason as you. It's obvious Tris voted "just because".

So, I'd like to formally apologize if you were offended by my use of the word hypocritical in describing your actions. I'm just making connections to how you're known for acting as support for why your vote is both suspicious and irrational. If I can't do that, then what can I do?

As for her actions now, I can only come up with ideas to explain them. I don't know the answers, and I doubt her death will clear them up unless she flips fool. You're absolutely right that they are peculiar, but I've never played with her, so I don't know her playstyle. I just feel that your original prodding and bandwagonning was a little too brutal for having no actual reason to start it.

Players:
1. [MENTION=40095]Gotpika[/MENTION]
2. [MENTION=60571]GengarWithSunglasses[/MENTION]
3. [MENTION=47097]VeloJello[/MENTION]
4. [MENTION=57671]Dark Victini[/MENTION]
5. [MENTION=56536]Soulmaster[/MENTION]
6. [MENTION=36832]Neonsands[/MENTION]
7. [MENTION=27302]Ryuutakeshi[/MENTION]
8. [MENTION=39418]GliscorMan[/MENTION]
9. [MENTION=58119]Syxx[/MENTION]
10. [MENTION=50982]Tris79[/MENTION]
11. [MENTION=30267]Alaskapigeon[/MENTION]
12. [MENTION=16494]Feliciano[/MENTION]
13. [MENTION=42956]Jolty Febe[/MENTION]
14. [MENTION=23317]Axle Helios[/MENTION]
15. [MENTION=48853]Thunder Lord Z[/MENTION]
16. [MENTION=32881]Neon Borealis[/MENTION]
17. [MENTION=45001]Fresa[/MENTION]
18. [MENTION=40194]Scarlet Enchantress[/MENTION]
19. [MENTION=1577]Rayne*[/MENTION]

Something has happened!
[MENTION=40095]Gotpika[/MENTION]; is now subbing for [MENTION=54762]Hawkeye[/MENTION];

confirm

[MENTION=57671]Dark Victini[/MENTION]; that's up for you guys to decide. Personally, I'd rather have myself lynched than anyone else because that someone might be more valuable alive than dead. If there's risk involved, I suggest you lynch me. I will not advocate the killing of anyone Day 1, though. There's too much risk involved.

I can't tell if @GliscorMan; is being selfless, or a fool. Are two fools in one game unheard of?

Originally Posted by Feliciano

...If he does have a role that prevents him from posting more than once, how could he let us know?

private message?

Originally Posted by Axle Helios

I can't tell if @GliscorMan; is being selfless, or a fool. Are two fools in one game unheard of?

There have never have been two fools in game(from what atleast what I've seen).

So unless we're wrong about Jolty, chances are GliscorMan's fine.

Why're we so concerned about GliscorMan? Unless Jolty changed his name, which I'll admit I completely missed.

Because I'm offering up myself in place of a random lynch that we might regret.