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    My dear harpy, thank you for your kind words.

    Yes, yes, it may indeed be a bad idea for the town to claim to me in all honesty. ^^; Which doesn't make me very beneficial for either party.

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    Hooray! People listened to me for once!

    Good job, guys. You made the right choice.

    About the Elysion situation; there are a few possibilities:

    1. Elysion is independent and telling the truth about her win-condition. If this is the case, then we can basically just leave her alone as long as she doesn't jump about the place or cause too much mayhem. Either way, we can't tell what she'll do for sure, and I'd rather not have a liability on our hands. As well as that, taking a spot in the final four does not sound like good news for the town -- it seems a little anti-townish to me, for sure.
    2. Elysion is independent and lying about her wincon. If this is the case, we lynch her.
    3. Elysion is lying about her alignment and her wincon. If this is the case, we lynch her.

    No matter what, unless there is better evidence against somebody else, I suggest that we should lynch Elysion tomorrow. Keeping her around is more of a danger than a benefit, and it's not like we're going to be doing anything else besides be clueless tomorrow, unless we can gather more information.

    By the way, does anyone want counter-claim TRACKER?

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    no, she isn't here, leave a message pls

    Sorry, I've been paying attention, just that I didn't have much to contribute or know what to do.

    From what I've seen, Elysion's victory condition does make me worried because in a situation town is wiping out mafia quickly, her chances of winning will decrease. But even in such a situation, her one vote likely won't change a town's bandwagon on a suspect. Currently she doesn't seem much of a threat. If she proves to be anti-town, we can lynch her then.

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    Great job, town, the godfather's dead! :)

    Hm... Elysion's win condition does sound a little worrying, since it would be so easy for her to side with the mafia. And the game reaching final four doesn't sound like it's going to happen very soon, so if we choose to leave her alone we'll be doing it for a while.
    To be honest, I think her win condition sounds very believable, given that this is about SSB (so either she's telling the truth or she's lying and she's a genius). But final four... isn't that kind of hard to do? And it seems strange to me that the only ability she's given to help her out is a double voting ability. I mean, sure, it would be useful near endgame, but... For an independent, double voting doesn't seem like a very good ability to have.
    But that's just me. I don't know if it's easy for double voting independents to last all the way to the final four or not.

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    Despite my stay in this game being brief, I had lots of fun~! I rather die getting lynched instead of winning with no thrill. If I stayed alive, I wouldn't have been much of a help for my team in the next few days. I'm glad I was entertained. Good luck to both factions and to FrostyGaga to keep on doing a good job!

    and ohmaigawd people are talking about my bw! mafia in this game that makes me so happy<3333

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    Sorry, I'm here. But I just don't have anything as of yet.
    Last edited by Soulmaster; 12th December 2012 at 03:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanDawn View Post
    1. @Midorikawa;
    2. @Rio Kamishiro;
    4. @Dark Blueberry;
    5. @FinalArcadia;
    6. @Laterose;
    7. @Ryoga Kamishiro;
    8. @Elysion;
    9. @Bomika;
    10. @Insanish Danish;
    11. @Shadows;
    12. @Neon Borealis;
    13. @Baron Dante;
    14. @Akuraito;
    15. @DrumBeats;
    17. @Buoy;
    18. @Chaosj2;
    19. @TairaNamikase;
    20. @Soulmaster;
    21. @KidBeano;

    Any Double Voter counter-claims?

    A Mafia Double Voter is still possible, though.
    I think we should take note of a mafia saying this. Let's hope that FrostyGaga didn't give a double voter to each alignment

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry View Post
    o_O everybody's voting for Sputnik?

    By the looks of it, she'll be lynched regardless ;_;
    Just noting this post

    Quote Originally Posted by Insanish Danish View Post
    Aww, I like the Ice Climbers. :<

    I found Sputnik a bit scummy myself, but I decided not to vote in case her claim really was true...and looks like it was. That's a shame :/
    Note the bold


    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry View Post
    Right, that was NOT an epic way to start this game ;_; Sputnik is always scummy, but did we really have to lynch her? I mean, yeah - lynching somebody might be better than a no lynch... but this was... ;_;
    You popped on a little before and you did nothing to help her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laterose View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa View Post
    So you voted her because she's squirmy? That's a legit reason, let me just walk away. Not. You point to something that looks like a joke as your reason and don't give a real one. That's scummy, just jumping on the bandwagon early for no reason.
    I voted her because she was acting suspicious and a bit erratic (more than usual?). That's what "squirmy" meant. I wasn't jumping on a bandwagon.
    Why didn't you say this when I first asked you, or did it take time to think of a good reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanDawn View Post
    She was squirming more than usual, if anything. I'm thinking of outing the Independent's claim... They could Mafia trying to pull a strategy...
    Mafia using Laterose's word...

    Quote Originally Posted by Neon Borealis View Post
    And that binary text says "Red Herring"

    Perhaps the reporter doing his/her tricks...
    A possibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadows View Post
    Well, since it specifically says he was killed, I see no reason to assume otherwise... but then if he was mafia, how did he die?
    Brushing things off is the largest mistake town can make. I suggested a converter in the GX mafia and people didn't care much for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadows View Post
    Maybe there was a kill redirector, and the janitor's ability got redirected as well?
    Possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryoga Kamishiro View Post
    Baron Dante had to be Town, because come on, why would the mafia bother killing their own and using a janitor ability on it? To confuse us? Not likely.
    Could you be trying to avoid us knowing your fellow mafia is alive still? Again brushing off things can cost the town.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neon Borealis View Post
    Well, I'm going a bit meta here, but this wouldn't be the first time I've seen a reporter faking victory/death for him/herself, or someone else.

    But again, it's just a theory. And the janitor option seems more likely.
    It's still a plausible one

    Quote Originally Posted by Laterose View Post
    It looks like we're back to random voting.

    Vote: Chaosj2

    Let's get this party started, I guess?
    Really? And then you try to refute this later. Your reason, he's town and your scum I assume

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanDawn View Post

    Well, the post outright said "Baron Dante was killed.". So I don't know where people are getting the idea that he isn't.
    Here Human says that BD is dead. Now BD can be a dead townie, but it also re-brings up the possibility that he's mafia playing dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanDawn View Post
    Yeah, which she did of her own free will.
    And the other option was just to let herself die. It's a no-brainer that you would claim outloud over that.
    If her only two options were die or claim in-thread, then why is it so apparently suspicious that Human told her to claim? I mean, if she was assured death without claiming since she already had a vote majority, what else really can you tell someone to do when it's Day 1?
    FA defending Human. Could be mafia protecting mafia
    Quote Originally Posted by FinalArcadia View Post
    I'm actually finding Laterose more suspicious than anyone else at this moment.

    VOTE: Laterose

    She's had plenty of time since voting yesterday to actually explain WHY she voted Chaosj2. Not explaining just seems like keeping secrets from town and hoping we'll go along. And if she wanted a reaction from Chaosj2 and that was it, well... that doesn't explain why her vote still stands, unless she knows something big that the rest of us aren't aware of.
    Again helping Human
    Quote Originally Posted by DrumBeats View Post
    Vote: Laterose

    I'm torn between her and Human on who's more suspicious, but I'll go with her for now. If anything happens where there will be no lynch, I'll switch to Human.

    Lateroses quick random vote is odd, coupled with her contradiction late saying she knew nothing, yet something struck her suspicious about Chaos. If you share reasoning and it's good I'll change my vote.

    Human just seems overly defensive about this. If you really aren't mafia, don't vote for someone else just to save your ass. So anything suspicious about Chaos that made you vote him?
    Another slight defense on Human. I'm only pointing out this vote because of the next quote by DrumBeats


    Quote Originally Posted by DrumBeats View Post
    Human, I also seem to remember going back and analyzing the thread to point out better options while I did so. Just saying, I didn't just vote them and get defensive like you are.

    Also great use of Meta. Much like meta knight in most smash bros tournaments, meta is banned from logical reasoning :P

    Unvote: Laterose
    Vote: Human


    You're digging your own grave.
    Human as you said is digging his own grave, and you call him Meta Knight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laterose View Post
    Hey, yeah, I haven't been online since I voted yesterday.

    As I mentioned earlier: in the bandwagon for Sputnik, Ryoga, Chaos and Shadows all voted in succession. Ryoga and Shadows both gave at least some reason why they were making their vote (even if Shadows was only agreeing with Ryoga), while Chaos had nothing but "Wasn't Sputnik lynched day one in such-and-such mafia?" to justify his vote. I have a FoS on both Ryoga and Shadows as well, but Chaos struck me as the scummiest. That is why I voted for him. If Chaos has come up with an actual defense, I missed it somewhere.

    As for the contradictions, I suppose I should have been more forward with the reasoning, rather than just encouraging random voting again as my vote clearly was not random. XD I was looking for answers, and I thought that I could prod Chaos for them while more random voting continued to get other people's attention.

    Human isn't doing that great of a job clearing himself, either. Lol
    So you're suspicious of them for jumping on a bandwagon one after the other? That's horrid reason considering others were on it too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Insanish Danish View Post
    Ugh, I've been so inactive. Apologies. ;__;

    So...Human was the godfather, eh? Looking back through the thread and reading his posts, I'm not too surprised--he did come across as rather scummy to me.

    I also don't see how Elysion is cleared...unless I missed something?
    So if Ely showed my conversation with her to Human then mafia probably saw it and you could easily be mafia worried about her promising to help town, and also want us to waste a day phase lynching her. Also note the bold how he comes on and just agrees with everyone saying he found so and so scummy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadows View Post
    Great job, town, the godfather's dead! :)

    Hm... Elysion's win condition does sound a little worrying, since it would be so easy for her to side with the mafia. And the game reaching final four doesn't sound like it's going to happen very soon, so if we choose to leave her alone we'll be doing it for a while.
    To be honest, I think her win condition sounds very believable, given that this is about SSB (so either she's telling the truth or she's lying and she's a genius). But final four... isn't that kind of hard to do? And it seems strange to me that the only ability she's given to help her out is a double voting ability. I mean, sure, it would be useful near endgame, but... For an independent, double voting doesn't seem like a very good ability to have.
    But that's just me. I don't know if it's easy for double voting independents to last all the way to the final four or not.
    No, though it's possible there are strong roles out there that can easily cause lots of deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa
    Could you be trying to avoid us knowing your fellow mafia is alive still? Again brushing off things can cost the town.
    How was that avoiding or brushing it off? I was just saying what I thought on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryoga Kamishiro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa
    Could you be trying to avoid us knowing your fellow mafia is alive still? Again brushing off things can cost the town.
    How was that avoiding or brushing it off? I was just saying what I thought on the matter.
    Thought? You said it as a statement not a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryoga Kamishiro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa
    Could you be trying to avoid us knowing your fellow mafia is alive still? Again brushing off things can cost the town.
    How was that avoiding or brushing it off? I was just saying what I thought on the matter.
    Thought? You said it as a statement not a thought.
    And that's different? Even if it was a statement it's not like the Town or anybody would actually listen to it, and go with it as if it was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryoga Kamishiro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryoga Kamishiro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa
    Could you be trying to avoid us knowing your fellow mafia is alive still? Again brushing off things can cost the town.
    How was that avoiding or brushing it off? I was just saying what I thought on the matter.
    Thought? You said it as a statement not a thought.
    And that's different? Even if it was a statement it's not like the Town or anybody would actually listen to it, and go with it as if it was the truth.
    It is different. And I listened to it and am taking it as a slip up. So you're incorrect

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    Could be just me, but I can't see that as a 'slip-up'. Thoughts can be thought of as 'statements'. It all depends on someone's take on the sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro View Post
    Could be just me, but I can't see that as a 'slip-up'. Thoughts can be thought of as 'statements'. It all depends on someone's take on the sentence.
    Defending a fellow mafia are we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa
    Could you be trying to avoid us knowing your fellow mafia is alive still? Again brushing off things can cost the town.
    How was that avoiding or brushing it off? I was just saying what I thought on the matter.
    Thought? You said it as a statement not a thought.
    And that's different? Even if it was a statement it's not like the Town or anybody would actually listen to it, and go with it as if it was the truth.
    It is different. And I listened to it and am taking it as a slip up. So you're incorrect
    That was of your own free will, I have no control over that. Which is what I was mainly getting at, it was just something I put out there that anyone could listen to or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midorikawa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro View Post
    Could be just me, but I can't see that as a 'slip-up'. Thoughts can be thought of as 'statements'. It all depends on someone's take on the sentence.
    Defending a fellow mafia are we?
    Unless I'm missing a cop check or some kind of actual evidence, no.

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