By the time I came back to see how the votes were going, Sputnik already had too many votes on her for anyone to save her - even herself. And all she had was a double-voter claim. Nobody could've defended her when it was only Day 1
She was squirming more than usual, if anything. I'm thinking of outing the Independent's claim... They could Mafia trying to pull a strategy...
Ok, a couple of things:
a) The counterclaimer should have claimed out loud. You all bandwagoned on the possibility that Human was actually telling the truth about receiving a counterclaim, when really, he could've been making the whole thing up. So, yes Human, out this counterclaim now.
b) "I vote Sputnik because I didn't believe there would be two Doublevoters" Then the smart thing to do would have been for the two claimers to vote each other (which obviously would have required the counterclaimer to claim in public). Obviously, in retrospect, this would've been a bad idea because of Sputnik's vote-reducing ability, but at the time, there was no reason not to do that.
c) Stop claiming to someone randomly on Day 1. If you have a pre-arranged alliance fine, but don't just go "Hey I just met you and this is crazy, but here's my claim, so ally with me maybe?". Because that's just silly.
~The Artist Formerly Known As PichuBoy~
But there would be absolutely no reason to lie about receiving a doublevoter counterclaim. Maybe faking a doctor/cop/whatever counterclaim later in the game in an attempt to get the real one lynched, but in this scenario? There's little to no benefit, especially considering that Sputnik probably would have been lynched even without it; it's logical to assume that he was telling the truth.You all bandwagoned on the possibility that Human was actually telling the truth about receiving a counterclaim, when really, he could've been making the whole thing up.
Though you definitely do have a point with the doublevoters voting each other thing. ><; Should've thought of that.
@Akuraito; What would them voting each other have done? There was already a lot of votes on Sputnik, and I had no plans on taking mine off. The double vote of the indep will be useful later on and unless the mafia wants to waste a night kill, then I doubt that they'll be targeted. Knowing who they are and their win condition, I highly doubt they're faking it. All they have to do is sit back and watch the game and hope we and the mafia widdle each other down to a close game to where only four plus the indep are left at the end.
I meant only them voting each other; had Sputnik been simply a double voter, it would have proven if either of them were fakeclaiming, and if one was, they would have died. Win/win situation.
b) You're not really the player you think you are to give out this sort of advice. Besides, in most cases, it's not as though one can deliberately stop being scummy -- you can't really tell someone to "stop being scummy" and then they'll do it.
c) Yes, because deflecting suspicion and attention to somebody else is such a great strategy for a town player. Giving out THIS piece of advice looks like a bit of a scumtell to me.
All in all, what I gathered from this post is that you're either trying to out her role for no real reason other than people were bandwagoning her OR that you're trying to hit off a mislynch on her -- either way, you'd have knowledge of her role and a townie out of the way.
inb4 "ur so paranoid buoysel!!!1!1/1"
I'll save you the trouble of outing her, however. The other claimed doublevoter is FinalArcadia.
doesn't take a genius to work that out tbh
Okay, my main FoSes right now belong to Human, FinalArcadia and Rio Kamishiro. I've already pointed out both Human and Rio Kamishiro above, although I don't have AS strong a case against Rio, but I am getting scumreads from her. FinalArcadia, however, if she IS this mysterious independent, is suspicious for several reasons, in my eyes: she was in contact with Human early, and appearing to have links early on in the game is pretty scummy, although it can be offset if there is a pre-arranged or random thing going on, which is still scummy -- and not only that; it's dumb, too. She claimed independent, so, either way, she still has a very good chance of being anti-town. The fact that Human is stubbornly not outing her in spite of her independent claim and the situation occurring right now also adds to this -- if one or both is scum, then not outing an ally is a simple strategy to not draw attention to them, while still being able to work through this informant to achieve whatever they want, such as this mislynch. As well as that, an independent double voter? Really? You may as well have painted a sign on your head and danced around naked on Trafalgar Square while screaming, "I'M MAFIA!" What real use does a double-vote have for an independent? It sounds like a severe case of claiming your real role with a different alignment, but it's still really obvious. I could be wrong, so I'd suggest outing your wincon to see if that clears it up.
I'm curious though... does EVERYBODY look scummy to you?
And like I said... what was there to defend Sputnik on Day 1? She only had a double-voting claim. She had loads of votes on her by the time I came back to check the thread. What could someone possible do?
edit: oh, and, no, not everybody looks scummy to me. i actually have town reads on two or three people atm.