@Master Mew; Honestly, I'm trying to come up for a reason for your and Phoenicks' original votes, as well as a reason to "jump on the bandwagon" with you.
I've only ever played mafia with cards before...
P.S. What's pressure voting?
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@Master Mew; Honestly, I'm trying to come up for a reason for your and Phoenicks' original votes, as well as a reason to "jump on the bandwagon" with you.
I've only ever played mafia with cards before...
P.S. What's pressure voting?
About the same unless something comes through. Completely uncalled for. If he wasn't so new I would think it was a major scum trip up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mew
And Vote: twinarmageddons to tie it up.
@TM40 Aerial Ace; Normally on Day 1 there are joke votes which hold nothing over the game really. But @Master Mew; Why did you follow the vote?
I don't think I'd be able to act scummy. XDDQuote:
Originally Posted by Master Mew
But jokes aside, I assume there are only a few power roles in this game?
Because your analysis of Day 1 voting is completely wrong. :-pQuote:
Originally Posted by Soulmaster
Early bandwagons are important, if we all vote for different people then we won't learn anything from RVS. The point is to build a bandwagon on someone, almost lynch them (that "almost" is important) then demand that they assert their Towniness by scumhunting. That's how substantive discussion begins.
Otherwise, we have a meaningless Day 1, a basically random nightkill, and then start Day 2 with no reads (a.k.a. 90% of Bulba games). In a game this size, we only have two mislynches before LYLO, so I don't think we can risk a meaningless Day 1.
Oh, also, you didn't just, "tie it up," you just took twinArmageddons to three votes. :-p
*facepalm* thanks for catching that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master MewBecause your analysis of Day 1 voting is completely wrong. :-pQuote:
Originally Posted by Soulmaster
Early bandwagons are important, if we all vote for different people then we won't learn anything from RVS. The point is to build a bandwagon on someone, almost lynch them (that "almost" is important) then demand that they assert their Towniness by scumhunting. That's how substantive discussion begins.
Otherwise, we have a meaningless Day 1, a basically random nightkill, and then start Day 2 with no reads (a.k.a. 90% of Bulba games). In a game this size, we only have two mislynches before LYLO, so I don't think we can risk a meaningless Day 1.
Oh, also, you didn't just, "tie it up," you just took twinArmageddons to three votes. :-p
Unvote: twinArmageddons
Vote: TM40 Aerial Ace
@Soulmaster Why do you want the votes tied? We have to lynch correctly 50% of the time to win this game, but if we don't get a lynch today that jumps to 66%. Granted, if we screw up and lynch a Townie today, we'll still have to lynch correctly 66% of the time from that point on to win, but we'll have one fewer suspect. So there really is no scenario in which a No Lynch today would be better than lynching.
This is exactly why I said:
We have decided that we need to do everything within our power to prevent a lynch on Day One, so at the end of the day we end up with 9 votes on 7 people, no lynch, then a nightkill, and then we start Day Two almost exactly like Day One: With no information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mew
Basically, that sets us on a path to expending both of our available mislynches on near-random targets. Why set ourselves back like that?
Why not turn up the heat on one player Day One, press them for something substantive, and start a meaningful discussion now? By that route, we'll have far more reads on Day Two.
Your vote is very safe - you justified it purely by the fact that it tied the votes, with no thought for whether or not your target was Scum, and expect it to be interpreted as a towntell because the site meta preaches that trying to prevent lynches is Pro-Town. But it isn't.
FoS: Soulmaster
...I want to be able to go against this somehow but math doesn't lie. And your math looks sound from my point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mew@Soulmaster Why do you want the votes tied? We have to lynch correctly 50% of the time to win this game, but if we don't get a lynch today that jumps to 66%. Granted, if we screw up and lynch a Townie today, we'll still have to lynch correctly 66% of the time from that point on to win, but we'll have one fewer suspect. So there really is no scenario in which a No Lynch today would be better than lynching.
This is exactly why I said:
We have decided that we need to do everything within our power to prevent a lynch on Day One, so at the end of the day we end up with 9 votes on 7 people, no lynch, then a nightkill, and then we start Day Two almost exactly like Day One: With no information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mew
Basically, that sets us on a path to expending both of our available mislynches on near-random targets. Why set ourselves back like that?
Why not turn up the heat on one player Day One, press them for something substantive, and start a meaningful discussion now? By that route, we'll have far more reads on Day Two.
Your vote is very safe - you justified it purely by the fact that it tied the votes, with no thought for whether or not your target was Scum, and expect it to be interpreted as a towntell because the site meta preaches that trying to prevent lynches is Pro-Town. But it isn't.
FoS: Soulmaster
but doubly, if you want a lynch so bad why don't you unvote twins that way Aerial Ace is lynched? While you make some sense it isn't enough to warrant an unvote from me quite yet. The two of you could be scum buddies so you wouldn't want him to be lynched.
@Master Mew; Your question is based off the assumption that Phoenicks is mafia. In order for him to become obv-scum, he needs to be scum first.
That said, if Phoenicks is scum, I expect him to become obv-scum in probably seven or so phases. He can hide for a while, but if he's that obvious, then we'll find him.
And yes, I'll vote for him if he's mafia. What sort of question is that? You're just gonna walk yourself in WIFOM circles ascertaining any good info out of it.
Your last question is similarly walking in WIFOM circles and doesn't really mean anything without context.
I don't really see how your specific questions to me help the town move forward at all.
Let's try something new: If you're NOT engaging with the game, trying to understand, and posting your responses, then you are anti-town. The most surefire way to be lynched is to show that you have not attempted to understand. This is a basic requirement of signing up for mafia. If you act this way, your behavior hurts the town and the enjoyment of the game. If you're lying low because you don't like such behavior (I'm guilty of that), please help me kill it.
"Conclusion: No Lynching is not really an option today, and won't be at any point in the game barring a successful Doctor protection."Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mew
"No Lynching is not really an option"
I agree with this assessment because Master Mew's analysis is factually correct. You do not have the luxury of disagreeing unless you can demonstrate that his analysis is incorrect.
Because, without any conversation about how a Day 1 RVS [Random Voting Stage] wagon is supposed to work, I didn't trust Bulbagarden to not turn this into quick lynch [a lynch without any discussion]. Come on, Master Mew, you know that.Quote:
@Phoenicks Why did you move your vote from twinArmageddons to pressure-vote Aerial Ace, when the twinArmageddons wagon had not yet accomplished the purpose of the early RVS wagon? i.e. Why start pressuring Aerial Ace with your vote, when we weren't finished pressuring twinArmageddons? :-p
This is mostly the reaction voting stage -- you don't really need a reason. Everything's about gathering information. (By the way, nice to see you again and welcome to The War Room.)Quote:
Originally Posted by TM40 Aerial Ace
Voting for the purpose of getting a reaction. It helps us gather information because some people act differently when pressed with a vote, or when forced to appear. And, in many cases, some people only start to post when you pressure them to begin with. It's unfortunate.Quote:
P.S. What's pressure voting?
why do you think thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Soulmaster
why did you do thisQuote:
And Vote: twinarmageddons to tie it up.
then why did you post oneQuote:
Normally on Day 1 there are joke votes which hold nothing over the game really.
But @Master Mew; Why did you follow the vote?[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry
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Originally Posted by The rules we are all expected to read
Unvote: TM40 Aerial AceQuote:
Originally Posted by Soulmaster
No more "tie" -- especially since ties are meaningless in this game.
Do you have anything to say in response to what Master Mew has said (and meant)?
It's not about "wanting a lynch so bad" -- it's about needing to lynch to have a shot of winning this game. Lynching -- and scumhunting -- is the only way to win. I could ask you: If you want to win the game so bad, why do you attack Master Mew's premises?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulmaster
Any two players could be scum buddies.Quote:
While you make some sense it isn't enough to warrant an unvote from me quite yet. The two of you could be scum buddies so you wouldn't want him to be lynched.
I disagree - one can be obv-scum without actually being scum. In fact, I've found obv-scum to be innocent as often as they are guilty - scum are rarely truly obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by twinArmageddons
So if Phoenicks is scum you figure we'll have him sniffed out by Day 4?Quote:
That said, if Phoenicks is scum, I expect him to become obv-scum in probably seven or so phases. He can hide for a while, but if he's that obvious, then we'll find him.
Not the question that I asked. :-pQuote:
And yes, I'll vote for him if he's mafia. What sort of question is that?
Just wanted to know if you had any gutreads on Phoenicks by the time you would get around to responding - I did not expect a prompt response, so I figured Nick would have gotten a post in before you answered. If you'd waited another half-hour, I would have been right. ;-)Quote:
I don't really see how your specific questions to me help the town move forward at all.
Why do you, "want to be able to go against this somehow?" If the math is sound (and it is), what prompts this resistence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulmaster
@Zima Hi.
@Orion Hi.
@Dark Blueberry What are your thoughts?
The clock is running down and I don't feel like wasting any more time vainly trying to squeeze content out of RVS, so let's get down to business.
Unvote: twinArmageddons
Vote: Soulmaster
You've expressed a desire to impede what you admit is optimal Town play. This is anti-Town behavior and warrants a lynch if said behavior does not change.
Sorry for replying late MM.
I think Phoenicks reasons for starting the bandwagon are legitimate. And I agree with Master Mew's argument, There is no time to loose.
Now, Soulmaster seems like pushing ties all over. In a game where scumhunting is everything, he is the odd one out. However, I'm refraining from voting just yet.
@Master Mew;
Hello. :)
In a small game like this, I don't think it would be wise to lynch anyone just yet, so I will Vote: No Lynch.
@Zima; Please re-read this post, with particular attention to the section labelled "Setup Analysis."
Let me know what was wrong with my analysis, please. :-)
Huh. In that case,
Vote: Soulmaster
I've read this.
Unvote: twinArmageddons
Vote: Soulmaster