Thread: Pokemon DPPt - Sinnoh Mafia - THE END - Hall of Origin - 1/17

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Kaito Tenjo

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Other than agreeing with me, however, I see nothing scummy about Insanish Danish.

She basically did what you called Haruto out for. I don't see how what she did was any different from what you said Haruto did; "sheeping".

...Except that that is not what I called Haruto out for. I mentioned that she sheeped Akuraito, but it was not the crux of the case.

Objection, I believe that was why you first called me out. After that, it went from there.

Originally Posted by Master Mew

You're sheeping Akuraito - this vote looked entirely too optimistic to me.

Vote: Haruto Tenjo

For opportunistic bandwagoning.

Originally Posted by Haruto Tenjo

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Kaito Tenjo

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Other than agreeing with me, however, I see nothing scummy about Insanish Danish.

She basically did what you called Haruto out for. I don't see how what she did was any different from what you said Haruto did; "sheeping".

...Except that that is not what I called Haruto out for. I mentioned that she sheeped Akuraito, but it was not the crux of the case.

Objection, I believe that was why you first called me out. After that, it went from there.

Originally Posted by Master Mew

You're sheeping Akuraito - this vote looked entirely too optimistic to me.

Vote: Haruto Tenjo

For opportunistic bandwagoning.

Yes, from the beginning it was always about the timing of the vote. I could have forgiven the timing if you had supplied your own reasoning, but you just copied Akuraito's - this was the qualifier, but not the primary reason you were accused.

Originally Posted by FinalArcadia

Why would Haruto likely have been lynched anyway? She had two votes, and that was tied with Master Mew before Haruto changed her vote to Insanish Danish, if I recall.

...Because I apparently suck at remembering vote tallies. >< My bad; thought she had three, for some reason.

Frankly, I didn't see how she was particularly scummy, and you seem to still be gunning for her to get lynched. If she's really our other mason (which I do believe her to be), we certainly don't want her getting killed in a way that could be prevented: lynching. And if she's not, then that will probably become clear as phases go on upon observing her behavior. Basically, it seems to be the best course of action right now to trust her at the moment.

I understand; it's just that Midori seems to trust her word implicitly when it had been less than an half a phase since she had claimed, and that kinda bothers me, since fakeclaims can easily happen. I'm not saying that I want her to be lynched, just that we should wait maybe a phase or two before completely trusting her; I'm being unnecessarily wary, yes, but... idk.

Originally Posted by Akuraito

I understand; it's just that Midori seems to trust her word implicitly when it had been less than an half a phase since she had claimed, and that kinda bothers me, since fakeclaims can easily happen. I'm not saying that I want her to be lynched, just that we should wait maybe a phase or two before completely trusting her; I'm being unnecessarily wary, yes, but... idk.

No, your wariness is entirely necessary - I think, however, that we can all agree that we should probably wait to lynch the claimed Mason as well.

@Master Mew

I do actually think the two in question are probably scum. Maybe saying "a lot" was a slight exaggeration, but it stands out so much in my mind compared to anything else that I consider it important to note.

The two in question are Insanish Danish and Akuraito. Insanish Danish is more suspicious in my eyes, hence my vote on her.

When did I ever say that I wanted her lynched? I'm rereading my post, but... I'm not really seeing where I said that she should still be lynched.

Originally Posted by Akuraito

When did I ever say that I wanted her lynched? I'm rereading my post, but... I'm not really seeing where I said that she should still be lynched.

You didn't - I was clarifying for the benefit of others. You suggested we not be too quick to trust her, so I countered that we should also not be too quick to distrust her.

@Akuraito; Poor word choice on my part. I don't fully trust Haruto, but I don't really think she's lying. Also I was saying I found it odd how one mason died when MM was relentlessly attacking the other. Though please pay attention to my posts better, because I said that it was most likely a coincidence that the two are masons.

Originally Posted by FinalArcadia

@Master Mew

I do actually think the two in question are probably scum. Maybe saying "a lot" was a slight exaggeration, but it stands out so much in my mind compared to anything else that I consider it important to note.

The two in question are Insanish Danish and Akuraito. Insanish Danish is more suspicious in my eyes, hence my vote on her.

@Akuraito
@Insanish Danish

Defense?

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Yes, from the beginning it was always about the timing of the vote. I could have forgiven the timing if you had supplied your own reasoning, but you just copied Akuraito's - this was the qualifier, but not the primary reason you were accused.

I did not copy off her. It was my own thought as well, and I wanted to express that I thought as much too.

Originally Posted by Akuraito

When did I ever say that I wanted her lynched? I'm rereading my post, but... I'm not really seeing where I said that she should still be lynched.

I never said that you actually "said" you wanted her lynched. I said that you seemed to be gunning for it, which is how I read your post. Of course, I'm not saying that my reading is necessarily correct, but just my interpretation.

Caution is all right, but it seemed as though you were moreso advocating a lynch for Haruto than Master Mew, in that you posted after Midorikawa placed a vote on Master Mew.

I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to be defending. I already explained my reasons for voting. Just because I happen to have the same opinions as another player, it doesn't make me mafia. I really fail to see how I'm coming off as scummy.

Originally Posted by Insanish Danish

I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to be defending. I already explained my reasons for voting. Just because I happen to have the same opinions as another player, it doesn't make me mafia. I really fail to see how I'm coming off as scummy.

Not my case:

@FinalArcadia Rebuttal?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Also I was saying I found it odd how one mason died when MM was relentlessly attacking the other. Though please pay attention to my posts better, because I said that it was most likely a coincidence that the two are masons.

I did read your post; don't accuse me of not. What I said was that there was no possible way for it not to be a coincidence, as it was N1, meaning that no roles could have been used prior to find out Human's, so that part of your argument is invalid.

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I don't recall ever agreeing with Mew on anything other than Aura-kun, so I'm not sure why I'm being suspected due to just that; I mean, he brought up a good point with Aura, something I had managed to miss. For a Day 1 lynch, it was logical enough, so I figured that Aura would be a smart person to vote for. I disagreed with him on the point of not lynching Aura, though, so... we're differing in opinions, sorta.

idk how to defend myself against this okay

Originally Posted by Akuraito

What I said was that there was no possible way for it not to be a coincidence, as it was N1, meaning that no roles could have been used prior to find out Human's, so that part of your argument is invalid.

^ This.

The only way the Mafia would have known Human was a Mason would have been to have communicated with him privately - and if he had claimed Mason to a Mafioso privately, I doubt they would have nightkilled him (since this would clear his partner).

Of course, the other (far, FAR less likely) option is that the Mafia has a Tailor. Tailoring Human to flip Mason when he was not would be the perfect way to clear someone who was taking heat, as they could claim Mason in the next phase with zero risk of a counterclaim, but I've never seen Tailor on Bulba and only heard of it being used here once.

Both of those possibilities seem highly unlikely, so I think it is reasonable to assume Human's death was a coincidence. For now, at least.