Thread: OTP MAFIA - MAFIA VICTORY [06/01/13]

Originally Posted by twinArmageddons

Originally Posted by FestiveGreen

Vote: Parma

you sort of flew in from nowhere
and
voted
for no reason
????
2iir ii do declare

Originally Posted by Phoenicks

You've not been active
enough to appear and vote
without any text.

Ok, the reason I voted for Parma was even though she's been inactive, she's still suspicious, and I wanted to actually do something, and also this puts pressure on her to explain herself (unless she has now).

Originally Posted by Master Mew

1. The Flavor-text in no way implied that the Mafia's kill was blocked. In fact, if I subscribed to flavor-text analysis I would contend that it suggested the Mafia chose to no-kill, but this leads me to my second point:

2. The Flavor-text? Really? Do you consider this a good basis upon which to build a narrative?

Honestly, I don't see how that text suggests the mafia chose to no-kill. It clearly states that the mafia chased their targets around until they "forgot about their murdering plan," which to me suggests an ability and not the mafia deciding not to use their greatest asset of nightkilling.

And yes, some hosts like to slip hints into their flavor text. Not all do, but that doesn't mean the flavor text should always be ignored.

Originally Posted by Parma

namely to prevent such things like ties. and voting for someone else at that point wasn't going to do much good considering how late it was.

Does this mean you had someone else in mind that you found suspicious but you opted to hammer instead of voicing your suspicions? Instead, exactly one minute before the phase ended, we get

I think that midori needs to just stop constantly replying to everything concerning her. makes her seem defensive. as for the vote tonight, vote: midorikawa

I can hardly blame her for responding to everyone when the alternative is to get mentioned a half-dozen times for not putting up a suitable defense.

Originally Posted by Parma

@Master Mew;

i have an objection to the placement of this wagon. namely, right after two votes have been casted. do you have some ulterior motive perhaps for posting this when you did?

Yes, my reason for posting it when I did is that I just subbed in and thus couldn't have posted it sooner. I posted it as soon as I finished my reread and notes.

Originally Posted by Master Mew

In my usual double-mindedness, I half agreed with you completely here (yeah, try to figure that out). Phoenicks and twinArmageddons kept saying they were tired of the Meta discussion, then kept encouraging it (not explicitly, mind you).

tbh the only reason i said i was tired of it was so i wouldn't get lynched because people seemed so vehemently against playing that way
while i want to make town play better i'm not going to be an example of bad town play and get myself lynched
in early-game the best way to find mafia is to talk about strategy going forward -- people's reactions to the plans laid forth is a great way to collect info.

Started off good... then turned into fenceposting. Did you suspect her or not?

i have no comment on your analysis here
but what does "fenceposting" mean?

You had a feeling that KidBeano and Midorikawa were Mafia? Did you? Did you really?

well i was like 30% sure they were mafia
which is more sure than i was of anyone else
so it was my best bet at the time
and since they were distracting the town/playing poorly so if they flipped town i wouldn't particularly have cared
so while i certainly didn't get a big feeling of scumminess from them
i did get a feeling of scumminess from them

Originally Posted by twinArmageddons

this was literally the worst possible outcome

^ Complains about no lynch right out the gate. This is such a scumtell it has become a towntell - which may be why you did it.

But yeah, WIFOM, WIFOM, WIFOM, META, META, META, etc.

it was literally the worst outcome
i stand by that statement
i think the town needs to 100% always always get a lynch day 1
i didn't particularly care which way they flipped, as i said above
and yeah you're going to walk yourself into a circle of wifom if you try to deduce my intentions with that any more

Originally Posted by twinArmageddons

Also, guys, Merry is asleep. It's like 4AM where she is.

Why are we defending Merry, again?

this was two hours before the phase change
there wasn't much point in trying to get answers out of someone who is fast asleep
our efforts were best spent elsewhere
i have no qualms with trying to get info out of merry

1. The Flavor-text in no way implied that the Mafia's kill was blocked. In fact, if I subscribed to flavor-text analysis I would contend that it suggested the Mafia chose to no-kill, but this leads me to my second point:

i suppose we have a difference in opinion then

2. The Flavor-text? Really? Do you consider this a good basis upon which to build a narrative?

yes, i do
the hosts are human too, and they are prone to letting information slip through as well, even if they don't want to, even if it's harmless information like the information in that update

Didn't see the Doctor softclaim in Mizzle's post - I did, however, notice that you gratefully accepted it.

you misunderstand.
i was saying that mizzle was nominating me the most likely to be doctor
hence, soft-claiming for me

most of your allegations at me, master mew, are you trying to forge realities that don't exist by extracting meanings that don't exist out of my posts
for example, when i say "i have a feeling" it is not saying "i absolutely know they are"
it means "my guess is that they are mafia"
your question was "are you sure that's what you were thinking?"

Originally Posted by Aelita

Omg plase excuse me for not answering your questions yesterday
I mean, is not like ir was new years eve or something.....oh wait

That explains New Year's Eve. What about when I asked on New Year's Day? :P

You guys wanted me to reply so here you go.

Originally Posted by Leopard

Why would the mafia go for WE when she'd be a very obvious target for protecting when it doesn't seem as if she'd use her role within the next few phases? Mafia don't tend to go for the obvious ones like that.

wait a sec....

I thought she was considered scummy, and was at the edge of being lunched. Why would the doctor protect someone many think could have been mafia? I think the mafia thought the doctor would not protect her, and because she had the strongest role, decided to go for her. but alas! that or they decided to go after Akuraito, we don't really know who was killed first unless the order roles are shown is the order in which they died. either way, they were pushed at the same time.

Originally Posted by Leopard

@Aelita; can I have a response now as I know you lurked the thread after my reply. I'd be voting you right now to respond if it wasn't for the fact that I'd tie things up.

stop using your admins powers to make me look suspicious! I can do that on my own!

Originally Posted by Leopard

If Parma has been gone than we should try Aelita next considering she's been dodging my questions almost the exact same way.

Dodging your questions? you're trying too hard kid

Originally Posted by Winter Enchantress

On my thing for Aelita, she said something previously that bothered me. "The fact that no one died disturbs me"... was that meant to be a slip-up? Or am I looking too much into something that could've possibly given her away.

I said that because I thought the vigilante, now being in the open, would had used her role. that's what I would have done lol

Originally Posted by Winter Enchantress

I mean, from how I see what was said, it was almost like she was disappointed that no one had died in the night phase. That's just my view on it.

indeed i was; the vigilante is one of my favorite roles......USE IT WHILE YOU CAN! that's my motto

Originally Posted by Insanish Danish

I myself find Aelita to be suspicious, but I didn't take what she said as a slip of the tongue. I think she was just surprised.

That said, yeah, she does seem scummy to me due to her dodging questions. Basically why I find Parma suspicious too. They're my main suspicions atm.

stop echoing people pls. all you have done so far is repeating what other have said. basically none of what you have said so far has being your own ideas, but ideas you have stolen from others. it gets a little frustrating when people just keep repeating the same thing over and over again, specially when what they say is not really new but thing that have been mentioned before. I read it the first time, no need to write it again

now, do you want some tea?

not gonna lie the mental image of someone stumbling drunk to their computer to make a post about mafia
that mental image
is very amusing

i was using my phone

the joke's on you

THE VOMIT SECTION
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COMMENT! sdfghjhk

this isn't youtube

well, kind of

Originally Posted by Leopard

Originally Posted by Aelita

Omg plase excuse me for not answering your questions yesterday
I mean, is not like ir was new years eve or something.....oh wait

That explains New Year's Eve. What about when I asked on New Year's Day? :P

Originally Posted by twinArmageddons

but what does "fenceposting" mean?

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Fenceposting. Puts forth lots of possible theories, but ascribes no probabilities to any of them.

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well i was like 30% sure they were mafia
which is more sure than i was of anyone else
so it was my best bet at the time
and since they were distracting the town/playing poorly so if they flipped town i wouldn't particularly have cared
so while i certainly didn't get a big feeling of scumminess from them
i did get a feeling of scumminess from them

most of your allegations at me, master mew, are you trying to forge realities that don't exist by extracting meanings that don't exist out of my posts
for example, when i say "i have a feeling" it is not saying "i absolutely know they are"
it means "my guess is that they are mafia"
your question was "are you sure that's what you were thinking?"

30% is rather low - perhaps high enough to justify a policy-lynch, but why not just call it that?

My point is that I had felt at the time that the percentage should be much lower, and was surprised you felt the likelihood of them being scum was high enough to justify the lynch - if your point was that their anti-town behavior (not scummy, just not helpful) justified the lynch, not their likelihood of being scum, that I can more readily accept.

Not that you particularly care what I am willing to accept, but I digress.

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Originally Posted by Hitomi

Honestly, I don't see how that text suggests the mafia chose to no-kill. It clearly states that the mafia chased their targets around until they "forgot about their murdering plan," which to me suggests an ability and not the mafia deciding not to use their greatest asset of nightkilling.

"Forgot," not, "were stopped." If we were going by the flavor-text (and I can't stress enough how much I think we shouldn't be), it would be clear that the mafia neglected the kill - either via inactivity, or on purpose - no outside actor prevented them from killing.

just as a reminder, the update is in an hour and a half
if you want parma to be lynched, then don't do anything

well i was like 30% sure they were mafia
which is more sure than i was of anyone else
so it was my best bet at the time
and since they were distracting the town/playing poorly so if they flipped town i wouldn't particularly have cared
so while i certainly didn't get a big feeling of scumminess from them
i did get a feeling of scumminess from them

most of your allegations at me, master mew, are you trying to forge realities that don't exist by extracting meanings that don't exist out of my posts
for example, when i say "i have a feeling" it is not saying "i absolutely know they are"
it means "my guess is that they are mafia"
your question was "are you sure that's what you were thinking?"

30% is rather low - perhaps high enough to justify a policy-lynch, but why not just call it that?

My point is that I had felt at the time that the percentage should be much lower,

take into account the random chance that anyone could be mafia and you'll get a number more to your liking

and was surprised you felt the likelihood of them being scum was high enough to justify the lynch - if your point was that their anti-town behavior (not scummy, just not helpful) justified the lynch, not their likelihood of being scum, that I can more readily accept.

i thought they had a marginal chance of being scum
mostly i just wanted to policy lynch
but considering the level of play in the war room, if i said that, i'd get lynched.

EDIT:
whoops forgot to do this:

Vote: FestiveGreen

all you have done is vote without reasoning and post contentless things, after several times of being pestered for answers.

I usually disagree with a lynch with a mostly sole basis on the time of the votes. It depends on different people, different timezones, and whether the person noticed the time and thought "update is coming soon maybe I should contribute!". Perhaps it may be a scum-tell or even a town-tell depending on the outcome, but I don't really like the reason since it's going of something meta (oh no!).

I definitely agree that Parma did not have a great reason for voting so I am very wary... she hasn't been very defensive and I am not sure what that really means yet, although as I did point out she was inactive from the forums for almost two days, so not responding quickly isn't a valid reason in my opinion.

After reading through some of the latter half of this thread, like Master Mew, I agree that Haruto Tenjo has been acting quite indecisively and brings forward thoughts and calls out inactives yet apologised for not being very active herself.

Therefore Vote: Haruto Tenjo

Okay I know almost everyone has said that claiming at this point in the game is a pretty terrible idea but considering the bandwagon upon Parma I don't have much to lose. Parma's my partner and although I'm still a little reluctant to do a hardclaim right now lynching us would deal a pretty harsh blow to the town.

Vote: Haruto Tenjo

I do agree pretty much completely with the reasoning Master Mew has provided. So far Haurto seems to have done little else but draw information from other players without actually contributing any significant thoughts of her own...... And when she has said anything at all, most of what she has said has simply been a flat-out reiteration of the points of others. There's been a few other players that I've noticed have been acting in a similar vein that are also under my suspicion.

also i don't wanna die

Alright, the reason I called out inactives was to change the subject of Midorikawa, because the subject was continually brought on her, despite the fact that her whole fate was decided. And when I apologized, that was before I became more active.

Would claiming help?

EDIT:

Originally Posted by jda95

So far Haurto seems to have done little else but draw information from other players without actually contributing any significant thoughts of her own...... And when she has said anything at all

Pardon, but I have been speaking up. More than you have, actually. I suggest reading the thread again before calling me out on no thoughts of my own when you appear to be the one hopping on the wagon for the same fragile reasons everyone else said. I've said many things.

Voting locked, update pending.

Well damn. Had I known I had about three votes, I would have gotten on earlier.

Originally Posted by Haruto Tenjo

Well damn. Had I known I had about three votes, I would have gotten on earlier.

I'm pretty sure you got exactly three votes.

Originally Posted by twinArmageddons

Originally Posted by Haruto Tenjo

Well damn. Had I known I had about three votes, I would have gotten on earlier.

I'm pretty sure you got exactly three votes.

Ah, I see. Well, either way... dead. EDIT; nevermind