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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    What? I'm not the mafia's top priority? I'm honestly very surprised to be alive. I don't really know how to react to this...

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    Okay...

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    Mafia might've thought that you were bluffing on protecting Human or something. Or they don't believe your claim?

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-21-12] [Night 1 - Memories]

    Quote Originally Posted by Feralize View Post
    And she didn't claim.
    Your examples were all 7 hours before she claimed, and, when she did, there were less than 2 hours left until the phase change. With the pressure of an imminent lynch, just about anyone would've claimed at that point. It didn't matter, and you said so yourself here:

    She would have been lynched had I said nothing. It really makes no difference at this stage, because she's dead either way and I would have looked bad either way (pressuring her or staying quiet and lurking on D1).
    This is also a false dichotemy. You could've offered a question for her to answer, asked her or some such. That's pressure, yes. But it's reasonable pressure, and provides more discussion. The pressure you put on brought nothing new to the table except added pressure. It did not necessarily cause Sputnik's claim, unless she attests to that.

    I think that her poor reaction to pressure and lack of any sort of defense was pretty solid for D1 reasoning. It wasn't a game of mindless follow-the-leader, I legitimately suspected her.
    Okay, so you suspected her. Swell. So did I. However, I had little time to make a conclusion and thus place a vote. You, on the other hand, could've offered anything up, any bit of information. Instead, you restated other people's points and used it as your own argument. As follows:

    Rolecop is more often than not mafia. Your unwillingness to provide a real defense for yourself is just odd. If you really were concerned about staying alive, you would have publicly claimed by now.
    There are several problems with this. One, you act like a rolecop is the only possible method for checking someone's innocence at night. Two, while Sputnik not offering a defense was indeed odd, it was D1. It's not like you can prove anything at that point. In fact, she was doing everything short of claiming in-thread (which she ended up doing) to not get lynched at that point. Then, you imply that she should be claiming in-thread if she wants to live. A very sticky situation, especially coming from her end of things (assuming she's actually the doctor, which is my suspicion).

    Conclusion: Feralize has not provided a stable argument. Bandwagon =/= logical excuse. In fact, it's a logical fallacy.
    Zenax pressures Sputnik --> She refuses to claim, making the situation worse --> people are suspicious. It's a very simple path of thought, and I actually gave decent reasoning which you seem to be conveniently ignoring.
    That's a legitimate logical progression, but it doesn't lead to voting. If you're suspicious, you ask questions. You don't just throw blame on someone and hope it works out well.

    On a side note, I noticed something mildly curious: among the people who have been rather inactive @Leavanny Duo;, @Rio Kamishiro;, @Ryoga Kamishiro;, @Master Mew;, @FinalArcadia;), @VeloJello; catches my attention in particular. She stuck around long enough to vote for random people in the beginning, then took off. Eager to hear everyone.

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    Sorry!!!!

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-21-12] [Night 1 - Memories]

    Quote Originally Posted by GliscorMan View Post
    Eager to hear everyone.
    I don't know what to say...? Sorry for being inactive though, I'll try and take more of a part.

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    I didn't have a lot to say back there and I didn't want to speak up if I really didn't have an opinion.

    all my life I've tried to hide what history has given me

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    You guys are all fine, I'm just curious. That's all.

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-21-12] [Night 1 - Memories]

    Quote Originally Posted by GliscorMan View Post
    Your examples were all 7 hours before she claimed, and, when she did, there were less than 2 hours left until the phase change. With the pressure of an imminent lynch, just about anyone would've claimed at that point. It didn't matter, and you said so yourself here:
    Does time really matter? Not all of us can pay attention to the forums at all times.

    Quote Originally Posted by GliscorMan View Post
    That's a legitimate logical progression, but it doesn't lead to voting. If you're suspicious, you ask questions. You don't just throw blame on someone and hope it works out well.
    Questions are fine, but sometimes, you just have to vote to get something done. Votes can always be rescinded, after all.

    That said, there are less than five hours left of the phase... what are we going to do?

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    @GliscorMan

    I haven't been active because I've been very busy. Sorry for being so bad at this, guys - I should be able to post more stuff soon. </3
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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    Since no one has counterclaimed me yet (and I never will be), I would like everyone to roleclaim to me.


    I won't rush you guys to send them in, but they would be appreciated. :D

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    Would claiming so early be wise, though? That way, your suspicions would be entirely formed upon claims; a Hetalia mafia-esque scenario is entirely possible. Then there's the possibility of a converter.
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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    Am I the only one who really, really doesn't like games that start to revolve around mass claiming?

    This early, I think it would actually be more of a hindrance.

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    Only a mafioso wouldn't. ;P

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    Default Re: Oakwood Mafia [10-22-12] [Day 2 - Swinging Punches]

    Eh, if I'm suspicious for saying that, so be it, but I truly dislike mass claims.

    Hence why I'm not allowing them in my next game.

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