Thread: Music Mafia - ENDGAME - Mafia Victory [9/14]

Don't make me seem like I'm mafia when I'm town. I just think that not giving someone a chance to prove they're town if they are is unfair so mentioning gives that chance.

Originally Posted by mwto

Don't make me seem like I'm mafia when I'm town. I just think that not giving someone a chance to prove they're town if they are is unfair so mentioning gives that chance.

That makes things fair

@Dark Blueberry; So you're watching the thread too! Care to chime in with any responses to anything at all? No vote or FOS's or ideas? Take the initiative!

12 players are alive. From every townie's point of view, 11 players are unknown. With 16 players to start, assume 3-4 mafia. With an independent I'll use 3 although stardard procedure is to use worst-case scenario. 3/11 = 27.27% chance of randomly being scum.

I went through Day 2 with a fine comb. This is the result:

Originally Posted by Ryuutakeshi

Why is it always the cop?

Kara, you're overall tone this entire game has rubbed me the wrong way.

VOTE: Karamazov

This post, more than any other, catches my eye as mafia. Most players would feel safe following the bandwagon once the case against Karamazov was established -- and most did. Here, Ryuu felt some need to justify his vote. His justification is separate from the other evidence brought forth -- Karamazov "rubs him the wrong way". I didn't suspect Karamazov at all until he refused to vote DrumBeats. What is Ryuu talking about?

I'd place Ryuu's odds at maybe 40%.

Originally Posted by mwto

@Phoenicks; Why-nevermind I get it.

UNVOTE: Karamazov
VOTE: Drumbeats

Instinctively a town post. Mafia are more likely to act under pressure, and not to start a trend. After this post people shift onto DrumBeats until DB appears. I'm putting mwto's odds at 20%.

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I guess, I see that reasoning. But I'm not changing my vote.

Obstinance could go either way. Karamazov came up town, implying that Hawkeye could've been building support against lynching DrumBeats. Hawkeye and DrumBeats could both be mafia. If Drumbeats is town, Hawkeye is probably town too.

Originally Posted by Feliciano

We lost the cop early again? Damn...

I still find Kara more suspicious. DrumBeats is inactive - if he's scum, he's not doing anything to directly hurt us at the moment, and after that stunt Kara pulled yesterday, I find him way more immediately scummy.

Vote: Karamazov

The same logic I applied to Hawkeye applies to Feliciano, but with a caveat: her tone is much more defensive. She follows Hawkeye instead of initiating. If DrumBeats is mafia, I'd put Feli's odds of being mafia too as much higher than Hawkeye's odds. Hawkeye and Feli probably aren't both mafia.

I also know that Feliciano and Ryuu are PMing re: this game. Feli has put much forward on suspecting me; Ryuu has not. With Feli and Ryuu both pleading inactivity I don't see both as being mafia. If both are town than one of DrumBeats/Hawkeye are most likely scum.

Originally Posted by Paperhorse

I agree with your reasoning.

Vote: DrumBeats

Understated. I find this behavior consistent with my own profile of Paperhorse, but others swear that she behaves more like this when mafia.

Originally Posted by Atomic

Agh, sorry I haven't been active! School just started last week and I've been super busy.

Anyways, Vote: Karamazov. I still find you most suspicious.

In general mafia won't pull the same excuses to cover their tracks -- too obvious. Atomic, Ryuutakesh, and Feliciano all publicly justify inactivity from busy schedules. They won't all be mafia. I'll put Atomic's odds at lower than Feliciano. Feli's odds are lower than Ryuu's.

Originally Posted by Neon Borealis

Unvote: Drumbeats

Neon's post follow's Fahrenheit's. Mafia generally lack initiative. Coming from DrumBeats defending himself and right behind another person changing their mind, this would be good cover. If DrumBeats is town than Neon's chance of being mafia goes up.

Originally Posted by Atomic

Right now, I think our best bet is to lynch Karamazov and go from there.

Would mafiosi hang around the thread like this to sway people to Karamazov? Only if DrumBeats was mafia and Atomic was too do I see this as scummy, and this post wouldn't even make sense in that context. I'm going to put DrumBeats and Atomic on different teams for now.

Originally Posted by Atomic

You two are arguing under the assumption Karamazov is mafia when he hasn't even been lynched yet...

Especially after this. For anyone reading this post, it also implies that Atomic is not on my team by the same chain of (pseudo-)logic I followed.

Originally Posted by Feliciano

I said it when I initially made my vote, and I'll say it again: suspect who you will, but the point right now is that Kara is acting majorly scummy, and he is the one who poses the most immediate danger to us. It's great that you're active again, DB, and I'm glad to see you, but I'll stand by both my vote and philosophy that lynching inactives solely for being inactive is a dick move. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's the host's job to punish inactivity, not ours as players. If voting for someone is the only way to get them to look in on the thread, then it doesn't particularly matter if they're mafia because they aren't doing anything to immediately threaten the town. Lynching inactives to "punish" them is more often than not only going to bring the town numbers down and bring the mafia closer to its goal, and it's only going to generate bad blood between the players who are active and those who have legitimate reasons for being away because they're getting lumped in with the lazy people who truly don't care about the game.

So yeah. My vote stands.

(I'd rebut that playing in a game and being inactive is a worse dick move.)

Considering that you could've taken this post as an opportunity to frame me as scummier, I'll take your response more to the lynching aspect as a towntell. Feli I'm pretty null on overall atm.

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Originally Posted by mwto

I'm just throwing it out there. I have no idea of who is who but it's best to consider all options to avoid mislynching

Hm? Yes, but as you can see we have only 20 mins. to do so. :P

He was watching the thread and responded with something, but not much of substance. Would mafia come back to the thread? I don't know.

Originally Posted by Ryuutakeshi

Yay, we got the... vig... il... ante...

...

*sigh* Well, that sucks.

Sorry I haven't been more active. Working 12 hour shifts on the weekends does not lend itself to playing actively like I used to.

This is also the second or third time Ryuu's pleaded inactivity. This post, to me, screams of filler used after a power role is lynched.

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

o_O A killer role that Kara never got to use. It should have been useful :(

So does this. A secret (and stupid) meta I've used is that too many emoticons can imply substitution of substance for impressions that are trying to be cultivated. DB's odds of mafia are, say, maybe 35%.

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

Whoa - Independent? Good gracious. But he didn't have any roles? No abilities?

It's helpful to remember that Dark Blueberry is newer to mafia and will have different vibes from more experienced players. This post is an example of that. Null overall though.

Originally Posted by Ryuutakeshi

A nightkill is never a waste. He still had a vote.

Yeah I'm going to go out on a limb and call scum.

Unvote: Feliciano
Vote: Ryuutakeshi

Please discuss.

I can say this, I have no idea of DBs alliance but she has a habit of making scummy comments even as town so she'll be difficult to judge. Ryuutakeshi has seemed scummy to me in his posts and that post of Feliciano about lynching inactives is scummy too. No one ever said we were punishing them so why the rant. Though for now I'm going out on a limb here and hoping I'm right

VOTE: Ryuutakeshi
@Ryuutakeshi;

I don't understand how saying "you're assuming Karamazov is mafia when he hasn't been lynched" makes me sound scummy. I was just pointing it out because it was true and you guys were getting carried away with your arguments thinking Karamazov was definitely mafia when it wasn't even proven.

vote: Ryuutakeshi

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

vote: Ryuutakeshi

What's your reason?

It's not that I was defending Drumbeats, I just didn't think it was a good idea to let Karamazov off the hook so easily.

Vote: Ryuutakeshi

His posts range from odd to suspicious and in general are not helping us find mafia. However, major FoS on Paperhorse for being unusually quiet.

Originally Posted by Atomic

I don't understand how saying "you're assuming Karamazov is mafia when he hasn't been lynched" makes me sound scummy. I was just pointing it out because it was true and you guys were getting carried away with your arguments thinking Karamazov was definitely mafia when it wasn't even proven.

I should have been clearer. I think that that post implies that you're more town that mafia. I also think that it means that you and DrumBeats won't both be mafia (and that anyone who agrees with that logic shouldn't see you and I as being on a scum team together either). Poor communication on my end.

Voting locked, update pending.

1. @Central African Republic*;
2. @Dark Blueberry;
3. @Ryuutakeshi;
4. @Feliciano;
6. @Mintaka;
7. @Hawkeye;
8. @Neon Borealis;
10. @Atomic;
11. @Paperhorse;
12. @Phoenicks;
14. @mwto;
15. @DrumBeats;

It was a silent day full of reflection, not just of the previous night's death, but of another event - one that every song remembered and none could forget. Their thoughts were somber and a lynch was only thought about as night drew close. Doubt coursed through all of them. The air began to turn cold, as if winter was just on the horizon of the late summer day. Then someone threw out a name.

Wild accusations were thrown, but no one put up a fight. The mood quickly turned from mournful to devoid of any mercy. The songs turned to one of their own - a song that had, in recent times, taken on the appearance of gentleman from an arguably better time. He shuffled forward calmly and as he was taklen into the town's custody, a sad piano-like tune resounded through the realm.

Dear Ryuutakeshi,

You are Piano Man by Billy Joel.

”There's an old man sitting next to me
Makin' love to his tonic and gin
He says, son can you play me a memory
I'm not really sure how it goes
But it's sad and it's sweet and I knew it complete
When I wore a younger man's clothes...”

You are a song about a piano man that goes to a bar and uses his music as an escape for others.

The old man in the song wished to reminisce. Thus, once during the game, you may target a player. You will receive the name of a random player that targeted them on a past night. You will not be told what action they performed or which night they were targeted on.

You are town. Eliminate all threats to the town to win.

Ryuutakeshi, town, was lynched. He was Phoenicks's song.

It is now NIGHT 3. This phase will end around 10pm Eastern time on 9/12.

Why why why

Sorry Ryuu :(

CRAP! He was town. Sorry for lynching you. I take blame.