I'm honestly a bit reluctant to vote for Phoenicks, given that Feliciano displayed the same attitude when faced with being lynched. However, it doesn't excuse his rather WIFOM actions all game, avoiding questions, and lack of a real defense.
Well this puts me in an interesting position then. I'm willing to defend myself, nobody is attacking me with today's arguments. I could reprocess old posts but that requires a lot of effort for something with a very low probability of succeeding. And if I continue to tell you to lynch me, you definitely won't give me a trial (as Missingno. and @Feralize; have shown in their responses to me.) That's boring.
I know that I'm town. I know that if I die then the town loses it's gains from lynching mafia. I also want to play in a section where players give each other the chance to defend themselves. So I'm going to vote for myself if nobody removes a vote from me. If you remove a vote from me, we can play this game. If you don't, then I hammer myself. If I have to lynch myself to play a game with interesting town discussion then I will do it. From my point of view, it's a win-win.
If someone doesn't remove a vote from me I will hammer on myself.
What if Feralize or Luminosity vote for me for this hubris? Then I still see it as a win -- people will never let me forget the time I thought I could save myself by voting myself.
(N.B.: I talked with Zenax and he ruled that threatening to vote for myself does not count as playing against my win condition under the circumstances.)
Same comment for ^.In short, as I said I would be if Feli flipped town in the previous day phase, my major FOS at the moment is Mido.
I asked the question that prompted G-Mama to make that comment. She responded to others in the same post when she could've gotten away by only writing her treatise on bandwagon votes. If I had been her mafia partner, then this would have been an intentional strategy.
Nowhere in the above does he say that he thought Feli was scum -- he just says that "I was merely pointing out a suspicious move that Feli had done". "One scumy move doesn't mean the culprit is scum." So he provided a second reason for why he says he would've lynched Feli: "She was being too touchy about the lynch for my liking." I don't see why he doesn't have more to say if he's playing with the expectation that phases will be longer.
I initially FOS'd (without putting it in those terms) Luminosity because she voted for Feli and then stated that random voting was the reason why she made that vote -- when three people (Midorakawa, myself, and Neon Borealis) had all voted on G-Mama for exactly such a random reason. However, Luminosity's response to my post was very self-critical. This surprised me enough to make me shut up. It's not the first reaction I'd expect when many players would interpret my questions to her as bait for an FOS to come. For this reason I don't suspect Luminosity as much as I did before.
KB already posted in this phase -- in his response to me that I quoted above. He could have voted for me after I posted because the logic he uses to lynch me is "my aforementioned theroy was wrong". If that is his reason (it's not much of one at all), he could've voted for me immediately. Instead he voted after there was already pressure on me. If he had brought forward new reasons for lynching me as Missingno. had then I could ignore this point. But he chooses to cite reasons that are "aforementioned". If the theory had already been mentioned, why did he wait until voting for me?Nonetheless, it seems my aforementioned theory was wrong, so I've got no hesitation now. Vote: Phoenicks.
From my point of view it's Luminosity, Missingno., or Pichuboy. I feel like Luminosity and Missingno. are town and Pichuboy is mafia. Responses welcome.
I want to start by going back to a post that I made which went un-responded-to.
Secondly, I want to address Pichuboy's post about Feli. Actually I want to compare G-Mama's post with Pichuboy's post. Basically Pichubro's only point was about Feli's activity comment, which Gama already had brought up breifly in his post. That could fit with the mafia strategy of one fella leading the lynches and the other lying low, but why would they repeat the same thing like that. It seems like if they were planning an attack, Pichubro would have left the stuff that Gama said out.
There's also the issue of Gama bringing up Pichuboy as a possible second mafia player. With only two mafia players in the game, it seems really dangerous to risk throwing your partner under the bus. Of course he could have been saying that to throw us off which would make this WIFOM, but I don't think that Gama really forsaw his death coming so soon.
Finally, in response to my not caring, what I don't care about is whether or not people think I read the thread. You're just going to have to trust me that I did read it because it would be stupid of me to sign up for a game and then not read the thread. I do, however, care about getting lynched. If I'm on the chopping block then I'll try as hard as I can to not get lynched whether I'm town or mafia. The only time I ever willingly laid down when there were votes against me was the first game I ever played, and that was because I was mafia and a town player had already admitted to me that she cheated by finding the mafia QT. Under normal circumstances I find it highly reprehensable to have such an attitude.
One more thing...
So I'm between Phoenizzle and Pichubro now. Still leaning slightly towards Nicky, but I'd like to hear KidBeano's response.
One last last thing I promise. I'll only be able to post until 5:00 PM EST, so I have to get my vote in by then, and I WILL vote.
Last edited by TheMissingno.; 12th October 2012 at 11:33 AM.
Just a heads up in case you guys and gals decide that I'm the most scummy: I won't be able to defend myself until 5 pm eastern time. Maybe a little earlier, it all depends on whether the lab we are doing today in ecology takes up the full allotted time. I don't have access to the internet on my phone.
So, I'd appreciate it if you didn't lynch me or put yourselves in a position for the mafia to hammer (stack 3 votes on me) while I'm gone xD
However, I'd like for Missingno to confirm what he actually meant.
You're rebutting now - you've not been lynched yet.Not only did you all not give me time to rebut, you didn't give me substantive arguments either. I don't have the time to search for FOS's except to say that my suspicion was minorly on Luminosity before she responded to my questions.
Hello WIFOM.I'm not bad by the way. I'm bored. You can lynch me now.
So you can do that, but I can't?I initially FOS'd (without putting it in those terms) Luminosity because she voted for Feli and then stated that random voting was the reason why she made that vote -- when three people (Midorakawa, myself, and Neon Borealis) had all voted on G-Mama for exactly such a random reason.
Missingno didn't mention your first Day 3 post at all.Here, although KB does criticize the logic that lead to my lynch, he does not rebut Missingno. misstating the meaning of my post after Night 2. He criticizes Missingno. but does not defend me, even on a point where only posts earlier he understood exactly what I meant.
I never said that was my only reason, I said during Day 2 that the theory was the only thing PREVENTING me from voting you. You've proved it isn't true, and as such, I have no reason not to vote you anymore. You'll also notice in my first post of Day 3 that I said "Best to wait for Feralize to report her result before we make any decisions." That's exactly what I did, it's not my fault that I was beaten to voting.KB already posted in this phase -- in his response to me that I quoted above. He could have voted for me after I posted because the logic he uses to lynch me is "my aforementioned theroy was wrong". If that is his reason (it's not much of one at all), he could've voted for me immediately. Instead he voted after there was already pressure on me. If he had brought forward new reasons for lynching me as Missingno. had then I could ignore this point. But he chooses to cite reasons that are "aforementioned". If the theory had already been mentioned, why did he wait until voting for me?
Fair enough.From my point of view it's Luminosity, Missingno., or Pichuboy. I feel like Luminosity and Missingno. are town and Pichuboy is mafia.
Sure, I'll respond, but first I need to know what exactly I'm responding to, because throughout that post you basically argued my innocence.
~The Artist Formerly Known As PichuBoy~
Phoenix said that he thinks that Andrea and I are town. Therefore if we lynch Pichuboy and he flips town, he'll have no one left to shift suspicion to. Pichuboy, however, is leaving his options open, so if we lynch Phoenix and he flips town, then he'll be able to throw the blame on Andrea or I, most likely I. Phoenicks knows better than to back himself into a corner like that.
Implying that Phoenicks can't go back on his thoughts on who is town is ridiculous. What's he going to do, watch me flip town and then say "Oh well, I guess no-one is mafia, then!"? Ideas/suspicions/whatevers develop as the game does, so if one thing contradicts what you think, then that means you have to go back and reevaluate the game. No opinions should ever be set in stone.
Also, your "he'll be able to throw the blame on Andrea or I, most likely I" basically says you're doing this for self-preservation at least, as if you don't care who's lynched as long as it's not you. Tell me, why do you think Andrea isn't the person you're looking for? If you follow through with the lynch on me, and then lynch Phoenicks and he flips town as well, that's the game lost assuming there isn't a Doctor save.
I've not decided what I'm going to do if Phoenicks flips town, so you shouldn't assume that I'd try and lynch you. Luminosity's done herself no favours with that "Don't lynch me while I'm gone" post, so don't think I've just forgotten about her.
~The Artist Formerly Known As PichuBoy~
I'm so sorry for caring about the town mislynching by lynching me. My bad.