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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Checkmate - Day 3 [October 9th]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMissingno. View Post
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    If you didn't have such a horrible attitude then you would have earned a better response from me. However since it looks like you've finally decided to play the game, I'll play too.

    Unvote: Phoenicks
    I want to start by going back to a post that I made which went un-responded-to.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMissingno. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicks View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pichuboy
    Why should I need to point out any of my tells? I'm not supposed to be telling you what to think of me. As far as I see it, town-tells aren't set in stone - that's why it annoys me so much when someone starts a bandwagon on a mafia and then everyone claims to them. Unless I have logic that proves I'm clear, I'm not going to try and big myself up or drag myself down.
    Thanks. That's everything I was looking for.
    This statement bothers me. A lot. If it was really everything you were looking for, then surely you wouldn't announce it in thread unless you were just trying to intimidate Pichuboy or make yourself seem like you know more than you actually do.
    Since you're putting Pichuboy on the chopping block, I want you to tell me what it was that you were looking for. This is a textbook example of your cryptic posting that has occurred throughout the game. It would be so awesome of you to have made posts like your last post earlier on instead of making dodgy one liners and weird remarks.
    A lot of what I say publicly is bluster. The way people react to me when I say nothing of value can be very telling. In the same way, I ask questions because players can choose the tone with which they respond much more freely than if you accuse them before you can respond to them. (The way Andrea responded to me, for instance, was "different" and changed what I was thinking about her.) I ask "What are your self-tells?". It's a meaningless question. People are rarely aware of their own tells -- and if they are, can change them. The responder is replying to nothing with something.

    Pichuboy in that post got annoyed but not in an accusatory way. Nulltell. That's okay -- it gives me a sense of his personality and adds to my mental picture of the way he acts. I responded with a blank answer to see if there was anything else to be drawn out.

    Secondly, I want to address Pichuboy's post about Feli. Actually I want to compare G-Mama's post with Pichuboy's post. Basically Pichubro's only point was about Feli's activity comment, which Gama already had brought up breifly in his post. That could fit with the mafia strategy of one fella leading the lynches and the other lying low, but why would they repeat the same thing like that. It seems like if they were planning an attack, Pichubro would have left the stuff that Gama said out.
    Depends on their strategy. If the strategy was "do your own" thing then anything is possible. Anything is possible.

    There's also the issue of Gama bringing up Pichuboy as a possible second mafia player. With only two mafia players in the game, it seems really dangerous to risk throwing your partner under the bus. Of course he could have been saying that to throw us off which would make this WIFOM, but I don't think that Gama really forsaw his death coming so soon.
    In my experience I like to bus my partners as long as there's no one else throwing suspicion on them. It's in the mafia's best interest to support lynches against a target while getting someone else lynched. G-Mama suspecting a partner no one else suspected is a win-win: if people turn on G-Mama's partner, then G-Mama looks credible; if nobody does, then the mafia can lynch an innocent.

    I think it's a dead-end discussion since G-Mama FOS'd everyone.

    Finally, in response to my not caring, what I don't care about is whether or not people think I read the thread. You're just going to have to trust me that I did read it because it would be stupid of me to sign up for a game and then not read the thread. I do, however, care about getting lynched. If I'm on the chopping block then I'll try as hard as I can to not get lynched whether I'm town or mafia. The only time I ever willingly laid down when there were votes against me was the first game I ever played, and that was because I was mafia and a town player had already admitted to me that she cheated by finding the mafia QT. Under normal circumstances I find it highly reprehensable to have such an attitude.
    It just struck me as town.

    This brings up a good point. If Phoenix is not mafia, then how come mafia didn't hammer when there were 3 votes against him? It could be that mafia already voted for him, which would leave KidBeano again, or of course Phoenix himself.
    From my point of view, Feralize and Andrea were not online when there were 3 votes on me.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidBeano View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicks View Post
    I will say on the votes:

    Day 1: I was at school
    Day 2: I was at school
    Day 3: I was at school
    Both of the phases lasted longer than a typical-game's 24 hours, so regardless of whether or not they were completed or not, you've had ample time to vote. How you can justify not-voting through inactivity is beyond me. As far as I read it, you weren't accused of not joining in the bandwagons, but rather not voting at all over the two days.
    But I did vote: On Day 1. I unvoted. Twice. I was present on Day 1 but saved my vote like you. Then I came home and the bandwagon had already been established.

    On Day 2 I was on long enough to see discussion not going anywhere. When I came back the phase had already shifted.

    On Day 3 I saw nothing. Then I came back to find three votes on me.

    The point is not that I didn't have time to vote and participate. I did both. I was not online when the particular bandwagons you're referring to ended the phases. Phrasing it as "you weren't accused" doesn't change the fact that you're repeating the charges, either.

    Not only did you all not give me time to rebut, you didn't give me substantive arguments either. I don't have the time to search for FOS's except to say that my suspicion was minorly on Luminosity before she responded to my questions.
    You're rebutting now - you've not been lynched yet.
    I'm not sure if you mean that I'm rebutting at this moment in time, or the moment in time when that post was first written. I'll address both possibilities. That was written before I began to rebut in earnest. At the time I was one vote from being lynched with two players who had not posted to suspect me.

    That post was not the be-all and end-all of my suspicions. I could super-analyse every single little thing someone has done in this thread, but there's a fine line between scumhunting and just pure overkill. I don't see how you can call me out on something which you yourself have just admitted to doing:
    That's not my argument. You made the assumption (a reasonable one) that there would be time to discuss Feli's lynching. Why was your only argument toward lynching her in that post, with the expectation that there would be debates, "She was being too touchy about the lynch for my liking"? At what point were you going to debate for or against her?

    I initially FOS'd (without putting it in those terms) Luminosity because she voted for Feli and then stated that random voting was the reason why she made that vote -- when three people (Midorakawa, myself, and Neon Borealis) had all voted on G-Mama for exactly such a random reason.
    So you can do that, but I can't?
    Yes I can. I'm town. :P

    In my case I placed a FOS and changed my mind. In your case you placed an FOS and didn't vote before the bandwagon. My argument here is about the way you talked about debating without posting what I felt was a substantive debate. I don't understand why you think these are comparable, unless you're intentionally obfuscating the point.

    KB already posted in this phase -- in his response to me that I quoted above. He could have voted for me after I posted because the logic he uses to lynch me is "my aforementioned theroy was wrong". If that is his reason (it's not much of one at all), he could've voted for me immediately. Instead he voted after there was already pressure on me. If he had brought forward new reasons for lynching me as Missingno. had then I could ignore this point. But he chooses to cite reasons that are "aforementioned". If the theory had already been mentioned, why did he wait until voting for me?
    I never said that was my only reason, I said during Day 2 that the theory was the only thing PREVENTING me from voting you. You've proved it isn't true, and as such, I have no reason not to vote you anymore. You'll also notice in my first post of Day 3 that I said "Best to wait for Feralize to report her result before we make any decisions." That's exactly what I did, it's not my fault that I was beaten to voting.
    That's not the point. (That's a pattern here.) You could have voted me immediately. Instead you waited when your "evidence" for voting me did not require you to wait. You could have voted for me earlier on Day 3 when you first posted. You waited instead. What is your theory? My guess is something about roles. I could read this as a hint as you being a power role and waiting to see if I would counterclaim. If you're the doctor, you should claim -- that would put the town in autowin and I'd gladly let myself be lynched to win.

    Responses welcome.
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    Why would the mafia make an obvious hammer today? They'd just be lynched tomorrow. Whoever hammers today's lynched is going to raise a few eyebrows no matter what.
    So the wise mafioso would vote before the hammer.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMissingno. View Post
    Vote: KidBeano


    Phoenix said that he thinks that Andrea and I are town. Therefore if we lynch Pichuboy and he flips town, he'll have no one left to shift suspicion to. Pichuboy, however, is leaving his options open, so if we lynch Phoenix and he flips town, then he'll be able to throw the blame on Andrea or I, most likely I. Phoenicks knows better than to back himself into a corner like that.
    With a cop and what I believe is a doctor, we at least have one more inspection for tomorrow. The odds are vastly in our favor.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidBeano View Post

    I've not decided what I'm going to do if Phoenicks flips town, so you shouldn't assume that I'd try and lynch you. Luminosity's done herself no favours with that "Don't lynch me while I'm gone" post, so don't think I've just forgotten about her.
    I don't see why that post is scummy. A townie could just as easily post it.

    I'm going to not vote Pichuboy. I wasn't cleared myself, and my leading theory for his theory is that he's the last power role. If not, I'm game.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Checkmate - Day 3 [October 9th]

    I had this long response almost prepared, but something came up and I had to leave at 3:00 yesterday instead of 5:00. Well the phase is extended, so I guess I can post it now.


    Quote Originally Posted by KidBeano View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMissingno. View Post
    Vote: KidBeano


    Phoenix said that he thinks that Andrea and I are town. Therefore if we lynch Pichuboy and he flips town, he'll have no one left to shift suspicion to. Pichuboy, however, is leaving his options open, so if we lynch Phoenix and he flips town, then he'll be able to throw the blame on Andrea or I, most likely I. Phoenicks knows better than to back himself into a corner like that.
    ... so you're voting me because I'm not tunnelling? You always have to keep your options open in a mafia game.
    Essentially, yes. Tunnelling isn't good, but it's usually a pro town tell. Waffling and indecision is scummy.

    Implying that Phoenicks can't go back on his thoughts on who is town is ridiculous. What's he going to do, watch me flip town and then say "Oh well, I guess no-one is mafia, then!"? Ideas/suspicions/whatevers develop as the game does, so if one thing contradicts what you think, then that means you have to go back and reevaluate the game. No opinions should ever be set in stone.
    No, I expect him to try to shift the blame, but I'll also remember what he said about considering both of us town and he will sure as hell earn my vote.

    Also, your "he'll be able to throw the blame on Andrea or I, most likely I" basically says you're doing this for self-preservation at least, as if you don't care who's lynched as long as it's not you. Tell me, why do you think Andrea isn't the person you're looking for? If you follow through with the lynch on me, and then lynch Phoenicks and he flips town as well, that's the game lost assuming there isn't a Doctor save.
    I didn't say that Andrea was town, Phoenicks did. If you go back to the post where I voted for Phoenicks you can see that Andrea was actually my second suspect behind Phoenicks. However, he brought up some good points about you which make sense, and made me change my mind. If he's mafia, then he gains no benefit from defending anyone at this point, and yet he said that he thinks that both Andrea and I are town. Why would he do that if he were mafia?

    Here's what's going to happen. If we vote him and he flips town, then we'll still be in confusion about who to vote for. If we vote you and you flip town, then (for me anyway) suspicion will go to Phoenicks since it'll look to me like he deliberately misled the lynch in order to survive another day.

    I've not decided what I'm going to do if Phoenicks flips town, so you shouldn't assume that I'd try and lynch you. Luminosity's done herself no favours with that "Don't lynch me while I'm gone" post, so don't think I've just forgotten about her.
    Well by process of elimination you'll have to target one of us. What's so scummy about that? That's basically the same reasoning as we used against Feliciano. Sometimes you just can't be around.

    @Andrea Luminosity; @Phoenicks; @Midorikawa; You guys need to make a choice. A no lynch will not do the town any favors today.
    That's nice.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Checkmate - Day 3 [October 9th]

    I was debating on what to do. A no lynch won't do any good and Feralize is the cop so I'll trust her decision. If KidBeano flips town though I'm going for Phoenicks. Him saying that he believes others to be innocent doesn't clear him at all.

    VOTE:KidBeano

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Checkmate - Day 3 [October 9th]

    I am the doctor.

    I think we should lynch KidBeano today:
    1) TheMissingno.'s idea regarding Phoenicks makes sense.
    2) I think Phoenicks brought up good points in regards to KidBeano.
    3) KidBeano's online (and he was viewing the thread for a while), but he's not responded to Phoenicks or TheMissingno.

    If KidBeano flips town, Feralize could check either Phoenicks or TheMissingno. She'll either hit mafia or we'll be able to figure out who is mafia by process of elimination.

    Of course, this is all dependent on if you guys trust me. I know my actions this game haven't been the best (hammering Feliciano and all), but I can't do anything about that. My time machine needs a new battery.

    Unless Phoenicks makes a vote, I guess I'll be the one hammering xD

    EDIT: Vote: KidBeano
    Last edited by Luminosity; 13th October 2012 at 11:52 AM.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Checkmate - Day 3 [October 9th]

    From my point of view, then, if it's not KidBeano, it's Missingno. Feralize only has to check one of us tonight to know who. Good game.

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    Default Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    Lampent, ecstatic over his victory in chess, flew up in the airs, exalting flames all around him. Before he could realize his mistake, the remaining Pokémon surrounded him. He tried to defend himself, babbling the usual nonsense about being a Water-type, but he was promptly lynched in the same boring fashion as his partner. These townies are definitely not imaginative.



    Feel free to comment the game, what you liked or didn't like about the setup, if you'd play in another similar game, your thoughts about the difference in play style compared to other games on Bulbagarden or whatever crosses your mind. I may comment about the game in general later on.


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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    Good game everyone. It was a nice setup Zenax. Shame town got lucky with a doctor and a cop.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    Why is that a shame? Awesome game Zenax. Thanks for letting me play.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    Thanks Zenax, I had a lot of fun! I'd like to see more games like this in the future.
    That's nice.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    It definitely would have been more challenging with a jailer or no doctor at all.

    Great game, I had a lot of fun! Thanks for hosting, Zenax.

    I feel that the gameplay was a bit more entertaining than usual. It was definitely refreshing to play this way. I thought the size of the game was perfect and I feel that with so many vanillas, it took more strategy. Hoping to participate in more games like this in the future.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    Being mostly vanillas definitely made it more difficult to prove innocence. I felt like I learned a lot from this game that I can use in future games.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    Thanks for letting me play, Zenax! I had a lot of fun, and I'm definitely interested in playing more games like this :)

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    Thanks for letting me play! Sorry I got a little snappy at the beginning of the game; I realize the coincidence wasn't exactly ideal. Still, I enjoyed the small size of the game and watching it play out. If the town hadn't gotten both the doctor and the cop, I wonder how things could've turned out differently, but it was fun while it lasted for me!
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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    It was certainly an interesting game. Shame I was killed of so quickly.

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    Default Re: Mini Mafia - Town victory! [October 13th]

    Apologies to Feliciano for the accusations and bandwagoning encouraging and to Neon for the early kill xD

    It was a great game. I have a few comments but right now I'm completely exhausted so I'll give them later.

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