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    Default Re: Loveless Mafia - Day 1 - 11/29/12

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro View Post
    Not at all. I merely agreed. And having a no lynch will get us nowhere, why not take it somewhere? I'm not taking my vote off, if you're trying to see if I will. I'm comfortable where I am.
    Good. If you'd moved your vote that quickly, I would have moved mine. Still might, in fact.

    I'm growing weary of this, "We should lynch someone, because no-lynching gets us nowhere," line of thinking. It's usually used to justify a vote that the voters themselves distrust.
    I see. Well, I suppose opinions are liable to change at any time.

    Mmm, I don't blame you for thinking that way. Although my style won't change, I've been playing this way for a while now. And you're mainly right, it is used to justify voting for those the voters don't trust. But I find it hard to not trust someone yet, especially on day 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro View Post
    Mmm, I don't blame you for thinking that way. Although my style won't change, I've been playing this way for a while now. And you're mainly right, it is used to justify voting for those the voters don't trust. But I find it hard to not trust someone yet, especially on day 1.
    I'm sorry, you misunderstood me. I meant they don't trust the vote itself. i.e. Because you voted for Phoenicks and then quickly said, "We need to lynch someone, because no-lynching gets us nowhere," (paraphrased) I can now assume that you don't actually think Phoenicks is scum - you just want a lynch and don't want it to be you (since Phoenicks just posted a case against you).

    Tell us why you think Phoenicks is Town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro View Post
    Mmm, I don't blame you for thinking that way. Although my style won't change, I've been playing this way for a while now. And you're mainly right, it is used to justify voting for those the voters don't trust. But I find it hard to not trust someone yet, especially on day 1.
    I'm sorry, you misunderstood me. I meant they don't trust the vote itself. i.e. Because you voted for Phoenicks and then quickly said, "We need to lynch someone, because no-lynching gets us nowhere," (paraphrased) I can now assume that you don't actually think Phoenicks is scum - you just want a lynch and don't want it to be you (since Phoenicks just posted a case against you).

    Tell us why you think Phoenicks is Town.
    Ah, I see now. Yeah, I misunderstood that. If you were thinking I was nervous from one vote, I wasn't. In fact, I didn't switch my vote to him for that reason. I advocate lynches, and if I see the chance to take it, I will.

    If I knew for certain he was town, I wouldn't be voting him now, would I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro View Post
    Ah, I see now. Yeah, I misunderstood that. If you were thinking I was nervous from one vote, I wasn't. In fact, I didn't switch my vote to him for that reason. I advocate lynches, and if I see the chance to take it, I will.

    If I knew for certain he was town, I wouldn't be voting him now, would I?
    Yes. I think you would. You, "advocate lynches, and if [you] see the chance to take it, [you] will."

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    Default Re: Loveless Mafia - Day 1 - 11/29/12

    I get a lot of scummy vibes from Phoenicks myself, but I agree with him that Rio Kamishiro is really scummy.

    Once Phoenicks pointed out Rio Kamishiro, and Master Mew took offense to Phoenicks and voted him, Rio Kamishiro very happily jumped on that bandwagon. I'd expect it of a typical bulba mafia player.

    Also, Master Mew, manipulating the town isn't a trick reserved for the mafia. :P

    So:
    FoS: Phoenicks, Master Mew
    Unvote: Dark Blueberry
    Vote: Rio Kamishiro

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
    Also, Master Mew, manipulating the town isn't a trick reserved for the mafia. :P
    I know, I was just pointing out that it wasn't a trick reserved for the Town.

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    Heh, amusing. If you all see this as fit, go ahead. I won't stop you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
    Also, Master Mew, manipulating the town isn't a trick reserved for the mafia. :P
    I know, I was just pointing out that it wasn't a trick reserved for the Town.
    Not really. You implied it was only for the mafia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
    Also, Master Mew, manipulating the town isn't a trick reserved for the mafia. :P
    I know, I was just pointing out that it wasn't a trick reserved for the Town.
    Not really. You implied it was only for the mafia.
    I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mew View Post
    O I C. Because Scum have no interest in coordinating the Town's actions. Gotcha. Nick is obviously cleared from Day 1.
    Now, I assume you were referring to this statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mew View Post
    Vote: Phoenicks

    For openly attempting to manipulate the Town and pre-emptively providing a reason for his survival into late-game.

    There ya go, now I'm arguing for a lynch. Pleased?
    The operative word there was, "openly." I was alluding to the way he was using the manipulation as a "town-tell" on himself - I wouldn't lynch someone just for trying to manipulate the town.

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    Default Re: Loveless Mafia - Day 1 - 11/29/12

    Obviously Nick isn't "cleared", implying that he suggested so in any way is just putting words into his mouth unfairly. Asking to not be lynched isn't exactly the scummiest action in the world. ;P Considering the haphazard nature of our day 1 voting any attempts to have some kind of organization involved should be welcomed, not shunned and immediately branded the doing of some mafia puppetmaster.

    Rio is the only one I've got definite scum vibes from so far so yeah.

    Vote: Rio Kamishiro

    Quote Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
    FoS: Phoenicks, Master Mew
    Unvote: Dark Blueberry
    Vote: Rio Kamishiro
    puff pastry ;)

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    Default Re: Loveless Mafia - Day 1 - 11/29/12

    @Master Mew; oh okay i can't read
    nevermind

    you're good, then.
    I still think Phoenicks has more to offer than to detract at this point in time, though. I'm keeping my eye on him because i don't want him running loose killing people.

    @jda95; dude i am flaky as shit. i know. i am proclaiming it to the thread right here and right now.

    also, as an addendum, rio kamishiro is using the well-worn mafia tactic of "fine. lynch me. i don't care"

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    Default Re: Loveless Mafia - Day 1 - 11/29/12

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicks View Post
    I should not be lynched because I am trying to coordinate the town. I've entered talks with several other players, which will become more important as the game progresses. I have the experience to help scumhunt.
    O I C. Because Scum have no interest in coordinating the Town's actions. Gotcha. Nick is obviously cleared from Day 1.
    That's not the argument I made.

    I wonder if your experience from Nameless Mafia is creating a bias. I have manipulated the town as scum and innocent. In this game, I want the town to learn to develop on their own without being manipulated. There are objective pro-town policies and ways of discussing -- even if the mafia can hijack them or the town can be mislead. I want an active town discussion. That's different from your experience with me -- where I advocated a specific policy that everyone needed to follow for the good of the town.

    O I C. Now scum won't kill you because you said they might if you're Town. They'll try to "frame" you by keeping you around. Clever.
    If that was my goal, you'd've just played into it by suspecting me.

    Vote: Phoenicks

    For openly attempting to manipulate the Town and pre-emptively providing a reason for his survival into late-game.

    There ya go, now I'm arguing for a lynch. Pleased?
    No, that's always been a lame response. If I need to elaborate why I don't want to be today's lynch target while still arguing for a lynch target -- especially after already arguing why I shouldn't be the lynch target -- then I won't bother.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro View Post
    UNVOTE: Sputnik.

    VOTE: Phoenicks.

    I'm going with Master Mew on this.
    Why?

    It's called trying to be active while attempting to contribute. I abhor inactivity.
    My argument was that your "contributions" didn't contribute and were indicative of scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
    Also, Master Mew, manipulating the town isn't a trick reserved for the mafia. :P
    I know, I was just pointing out that it wasn't a trick reserved for the Town.
    But you sure voted me for it. :p

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    Default Re: Loveless Mafia - Day 1 - 11/29/12

    Actually....

    UNVOTE: Phoenicks.

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    Default Re: Loveless Mafia - Day 1 - 11/29/12

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicks View Post
    I wonder if your experience from Nameless Mafia is creating a bias. I have manipulated the town as scum and innocent.
    What a creative way of translating my entire post into a meta-tell, which it wasn't intended to be.
    But you sure voted me for it. :p
    Yes, yes I sure did. :p

    I'm kind of annoyed that you think I only suspect you because of our scum-game. I don't use Meta-qualifiers for scumtells - I use Meta exclusively as a disqualifier to otherwise objective tells.

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    Default Re: Loveless Mafia - Day 1 - 11/29/12

    Voting locked. Update pending.

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