The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword Mafia [Game over. Town and Independents Win!]

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Originally Posted by Neonsands

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Originally Posted by Luminosity

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Originally Posted by Neonsands

I don't like some of the rationale used here. Especially the part about acting town. What's wrong with trying to seem town. Even if you are town, you should at least try and seem town so people know who to check.

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I said it seemed like she was overly concerned with appearing to be town. As in maybe she had something to hide/didn't want to let her fellow mafia down by getting caught. Townies should do their best not to look scummy, but in NfiNity's case, being so obvious about it raised my eyebrows.

Also, you said you had a problem with some of the rationale but only specified one thing. What is/are the other(s)?

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Just the whole harryheart thing. Just because somebody claims something, doesn't automatically make them clear. It might be silly to claim something that obvious, but in the process a mafia member could draw out the person with that ability and save themselves for another day. Doesn't sound so bad anymore. Obviously you were right in your assumption, but that doesn't mean it was completely accurate at the time.

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How would the mafia know there is someone with that ability to draw out? Spies aren't rare but neither are they in every game. If the mafia has a role cop they could find out that way, but then why not just kill the person? You get rid of the ability without having to pull some stunt that could very well backfire on you.

And I'm well aware that having claimed =/= clear. Do I think he's town, yes. Do I think that it is 100% guaranteed, no.

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Originally Posted by Luminosity

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Originally Posted by Neonsands

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Originally Posted by Luminosity

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Originally Posted by Neonsands

I don't like some of the rationale used here. Especially the part about acting town. What's wrong with trying to seem town. Even if you are town, you should at least try and seem town so people know who to check.

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I said it seemed like she was overly concerned with appearing to be town. As in maybe she had something to hide/didn't want to let her fellow mafia down by getting caught. Townies should do their best not to look scummy, but in NfiNity's case, being so obvious about it raised my eyebrows.

Also, you said you had a problem with some of the rationale but only specified one thing. What is/are the other(s)?

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Just the whole harryheart thing. Just because somebody claims something, doesn't automatically make them clear. It might be silly to claim something that obvious, but in the process a mafia member could draw out the person with that ability and save themselves for another day. Doesn't sound so bad anymore. Obviously you were right in your assumption, but that doesn't mean it was completely accurate at the time.

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How would the mafia know there is someone with that ability to draw out? Spies aren't rare but neither are they in every game. If the mafia has a role cop they could find out that way, but then why not just kill the person? You get rid of the ability without having to pull some stunt that could very well backfire on you.

And I'm well aware that having claimed =/= clear. Do I think he's town, yes. Do I think that it is 100% guaranteed, no.

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My point being, the italics were already present. The flavor text heavily hinted that someone was the cause. It doesn't take a clever mafioso to put two and two together.

@Neonsands; If that is the case, then why hasn't the real spy contacted someone and told them to go after harryheart?

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Originally Posted by Neonsands

My point being, the italics were already present. The flavor text heavily hinted that someone was the cause. It doesn't take a clever mafioso to put two and two together.

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Wow...I can't believe I forgot that when I've mentioned it before in this game.

I still don't get the logic behind a mafioso fakeclaiming spy in order to draw the person who really has that role out. That person could claim to someone in private and ask them to speak on their behalf in thread. Even if the townie did claim in thread and the mafioso was able to convince the town to lynch them, the minute the townie's role PM is revealed upon death the mafioso will be on the chopping block. There are also ways of making the role ineffective/less effective that don't involve sacrificing a mafioso.

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Originally Posted by TheShuckpluff

@Neonsands; If that is the case, then why hasn't the real spy contacted someone and told them to go after harryheart?

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Well, it's highly unlikely now. I'm just giving possibilities. And how would the spy know who to trust? That would be a reason.

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Originally Posted by Luminosity

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Originally Posted by Neonsands

My point being, the italics were already present. The flavor text heavily hinted that someone was the cause. It doesn't take a clever mafioso to put two and two together.

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Wow...I can't believe I forgot that when I've mentioned it before in this game.

I still don't get the logic behind a mafioso fakeclaiming spy in order to draw the person who really has that role out. That person could claim to someone in private and ask them to speak on their behalf in thread. Even if the townie did claim in thread and the mafioso was able to convince the town to lynch them, the minute the townie's role PM is revealed upon death the mafioso will be on the chopping block. There are also ways of making the role ineffective/less effective that don't involve sacrificing a mafioso.

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If the mafioso is already on the chopping block, this is a way out that wastes time and gets atleast one extra kill. I'd say it is a solid strategy by the mafia. It likely only would work for one phase, but one phase could mean a mislynch and a night kill which is more than they had before.

@Neonsands; Or maybe you're just mafia and you're going after harryheart because he's already had suspicion on him and you think he's the most likely townie to get lynched.

@Neonsands; I said all I had to say on the matter a few phases ago. I have no way of defending myself against your claims because anyone could feasably do that! but as Shuck and Luminosity said it'd be a really stupid move to make at the moment and whoever really had the role would've come out by now.

...And this is why I wanted claims... x.x Since it's 2 1/2 hours until the phase change and not a single vote has been cast...

1½ actually~

why do I fail at math

I'd vote but the penalty against me would kill me.

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Originally Posted by TheShuckpluff

@Neonsands; Or maybe you're just mafia and you're going after harryheart because he's already had suspicion on him and you think he's the most likely townie to get lynched.

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Did you read anything I actually wrote?

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Originally Posted by Neonsands

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Originally Posted by TheShuckpluff

@Neonsands; Or maybe you're just mafia and you're going after harryheart because he's already had suspicion on him and you think he's the most likely townie to get lynched.

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Did you read anything I actually wrote?

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Yes, I read what you wrote. I fucking hate being accused of not reading what people wrote. I read it, and I responded. Now role claim please.

VOTE: Neonsands

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Originally Posted by TheShuckpluff

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Originally Posted by Neonsands

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Originally Posted by TheShuckpluff

@Neonsands; Or maybe you're just mafia and you're going after harryheart because he's already had suspicion on him and you think he's the most likely townie to get lynched.

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Did you read anything I actually wrote?

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Yes, I read what you wrote. I fucking hate being accused of not reading what people wrote. I read it, and I responded. Now role claim please.

VOTE: Neonsands

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So the part where I was talking about this being the reasoning I didn't like for a vote last phase and saying it just happened to work out that Harry was innocent. You got that part? Because you seem to think I'm accusing Harry of something when I'm doing anything but.

All right, now we're getting somewhere.

Vote: Neonsands

I understand ShuckPluff's point. It sounds like he just wants to lynch the spy.