Any reason for that vote, if I may ask?
Any reason for that vote, if I may ask?
A bit out of the blue, there, huh Beck? Considering you were the one asking for Jailkeeper protection, buddy, I think you had something to do with Yaga's death last night.
I voted you for two reasons. First and foremost, because you're acting extremely pro-town, which is weird. I don't buy it. But regardless, I had no other motive until I got a reaction from you, and that's what you gave me, just now. A reactionary vote yields reactionary responses, even if made without reason or proof, like my vote was. You didn't even question my reasoning, you just voted me to get even. That looks guilty, even more so than your imaginary reasoning as to my guilt; some lame connection between something I said and last night's death.
My vote stands.
While I personally believe that Beck asking for protection was rather out-of-the-blue, weird and suspicious, as was his voting SteamKnight without reason, I also believe that SteamKnight's reaction is suspicious as well. That ote from Beck definitely elicited a reaction out of SteamKnight - a rather violent one at that. I do agree with what Beck has said above - SteamKnight didn't really give much substantial evidence for his vote, as though it was just to get back at Beck. If a reactionary ote is what Beck's vote was, it definitely served its purpose.
So you were just trolling last night? Putting the bait out by asking for Jailkeeper protection? That gives me an idea. I think I'll ask for Jailkeeper protection in future games, just so I can ferret out all the Mafia based on who says I'm suspicious. And I'm pro-town because I'm friggin' pro-town. I can be whatever the hell I want to be. And I think it's really suspicious that you're going after me, specifically. So my vote stands as well.
I back that both sides seem uncertain of trusting, but SteamKnight's slightly disgruntled responses are a little uncalled for.
~I'm here without you, baby
But you're still on my lonely mind
I think about you, baby
And I dream about you all the time~
I agree with SwampertShoes, this is just a game, there's no reason for SteamKnight to post biting responses; however, I don't think that disgruntled responses are a good reason for possibly wasting a lynch. Also, as this is a newbie game, we're all prone to reaction, so I wouldn't look too far into that reaction vote, although normally something like that would be suspicious (I'm not saying it isn't suspicious, it's just less so than it normally would be imo). My opinion could obviously change with more posts, but right now I see SteamKnight as a confused/defensive townie, and Beck may be distracting the thread (intentionally or not) by attempting to draw out a scumtell that may not be there via a reaction vote. I'd just like to know what @Beck;'s intention was when requesting Jailkeeper protection in the first place. If you're town, you should have no qualms about sharing the reason why you asked for it. Right now I don't think we have an explanation, which is leading me to infer that you might be subtly claiming a power role.
Playing catchup because I'm a sub here, but I have to say that I don't find many posts substantial from Day 1. I do agree with Yagaratsu's caution philosophy as this is a small game, so the slightest misstep could be disastrous; all the same, we must be careful not to lie down and let the mafia run rampant, so we have to find a balance between rational caution and bold voting (as if that's not what we try to do every game :P).
What I do find a little substantial is @Quaggington; very softly FoSing Yagaratsu (confirmed townie via death) with the statement "I've still got my eye on you." I know I might sound like a hypocrite because yes, this is a newbie game, but being suspicious at someone for joke voting the host of the game makes it seem to me that you're either grasping at straws for information, or attempting to place suspicion on a townie. It could be that as new players, we're all looking for any information at all, but honestly the former reason is entirely possible.
Another thing I'd like to know is what @MuddyMudkip; considers to be viable "evidence." You made a post on Day 1 about needing good evidence to justify an early lynch, and I would like to know if you have any examples (hypothetical or not) of evidence that fit your criteria for that purpose. At some points you even made it seem like we should wait to see if any suspicious evidence arises from interactions instead of engaging other players and creating interactions on our own; this philosophy is a little too laid-back for my taste, and at worst could be seen as marginally scummy (I wouldn't say your philosophy reached that extreme though, it was just a bit too passive imo). I'd also like to see you hop off of the fence and take a side, or offer insight as to what exactly about the interactions you found especially suspicious, rather than narrating the sequence of events as they happened. Trust me, I did the same thing in many of my first few mafia games, and it got the town nowhere. If you're afraid of sharing your opinion like I always was, don't be! ^^ Though you may be new, your opinion is just as valid as everyone else's, so you shouldn't be nervous to share your thoughts (however incriminating or accusatory they may be). This is just a game so nobody is likely to be offended if you come out and say that you are openly suspicious of them. Every post means more information for the town to use in scumhunting, so especially if you're a townie, you shouldn't be afraid to post whatever analysis or thoughts you may have :)
I apologize in advance if my explanation of what I consider to be evidence is hard to understand - I'm pretty much typing what comes to mind immediately after reading that. I don't quite have an exact criteria for evidence, but what I do consider to not be evidence, or not be good and strong evidence are those that seem like the player doesn't have anything else to say about the person he/she is voting for, and just seems to grab at whatever small little thing can seem scummy about that person - which in turn actually makes the voter seem more scummy than the person being voted for. A lot of things can be considered as evidence, I'll give you that, but as what I've emphasized above, it's the good and strong type that actually has some logical reasoning to it. I do realize now my flaw with my philosophy of waiting for evidence, as you've said Sunburn - so thank you for bringing that up. As I type about viable "evidence", I now get what you're saying that interaction is best to bring out the evidence that we need and what I would consider to be substantial. I just didn't like votes that seemed to be aimless, on-the-spur-of-the-moment, driven by violent-ish reactions - or simply put, didn't have strong reasoning about them. I guess interaction is the way to generate content and possible slip-ups or scummy actions from others, otherwise we wouldn't have enough material to make the votes. I admit my mistake of thinking of things with a much more laid-back perspective.
As for my side with the whole Beck and SteamKnight, Beck must have his reasons for asking for jailkeeper protection - and I do think he should share those reasons. SteamKnight seems to have a rash personality as a whole (which is quite a complete opposite to mine, which is why I was rather surprised at his choice of words and how he took that vote) - his reactive vote seems somewhat scummy, but nothing that would quite deserve a vote or a lynch as of yet. I'm keeping my eye on him, though. I'm more inclined to thinking him as more suspicious over Beck, who seems to have legitimate reasons for voting for SteamKnight (though I think we'd all like to hear his reasons for asking for protection), among other things. Opinion is subject to change, though, since again there's not THAT much to go on about til there's more engagement among all of us ^_^
I am a Vanilla Townie.
I asked for protection last night for two reasons. First, so that the Mafia would look at me and realize that I am not the Jailkeeper, and try to target someone else. If I have no power role to threaten them, then I am not a primary target. Second, so the Mafia would think twice about trying to kill me in the night, being that there was a chance that I could have been protected. And it worked. I never anticipated any form of protection at all last night but I baited the Mafia otherwise. That is, even if we do have a Jailkeeper in this game.
If there is a Jailkeeper, please do not roleclaim in this thread. You and the Cop (if there is one) are essential for the Town's win.
I want to apologize for my earlier rantings. Yes, this is a game, and yes, I'm still getting used to the fact that people aren't attacking me personally, just "in game." If I'm ruining the game for you in whatever way, I apologize.
That being said, I will maintain my vote, as I'm not one to believe whatever Beck says at this point in the game. You asked for protection, obviously you got what you wished for, enough to kill Yaga and take out the most experienced player in the game. That's pretty scummy in my book. I've yet to get any scummy vibes from the other players, but I'll be keeping my eyes peeled.
My vote stands.
I obviously got what I wished for? How? We don't even know if there is a Jailkeeper or not. It could have very well not worked. And once again, receiving protection and murdering another player during the night have no connection.
You are making absolutely baseless accusations. What proof -- or not even proof, rather, but sensical suspicion -- do you have? And how can it be scummy if there is no evidence to guide your asinine argument? Stop grasping at straws.
Like I said, I have nothing to hide. I don't even understand why that's even a thought. And I baited the Mafia away from me. Whether or not they thought that far into it doesn't matter to me, because I survived, and that's all I wanted.
Apologies that I've been so inactive. I've been rather busy as of late.
I think I'm going to have to take the side of @Beck; on this one. Though requesting Jailkeeper protection seems initially suspicious, his reasoning does make sense. And it's all for the good of the town, so why look at it with suspicion?