Thread: Bleach Mafia ~ ENDGAME ~ 12/6/12 ~ Soul Society and Elysion have won!

@Akuraito; I never said he's manipulating us. I just said that he's concentrating on me and saying I'm guilty, and while I didn't care up to this point, if there is a vig killer and they actually believe him then they kill me during the night phase. If he wants to take me down because he believes I'm mafia then let him convince townies to vote me and lynch me during the day phase when I actually can defend myself being while he thinks I'm mafia for some unfathomable reason, others know I'm town because I've proven it.

You can defend yourself at any point to try to stop the vig from killing you. Plus, if you're lynchproof, there's no point in trying to lynch you; why are you suggesting that if it's your claim?

How have you proven it?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

others know I'm town because I've proven it.

You proved to "others" that you're Town? Great! Now just prove it to me and I'll let it go. Win/win.

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

others know I'm town because I've proven it.

You proved to "others" that you're Town? Great! Now just prove it to me and I'll let it go. Win/win.

What's the point of proving it to you...?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Elysion

Now how did it get around that I'm an independent mw-mw?

Sources. Unlike you though I don't go around telling everyone someone's claim when it's a good one.

Anyways I got an interesting claim and I'd like to find out if they're lying, so let's test Rio's ability on that. So everyone let's do this: I am town.

2. @Dark Blueberry;
3. @FinalArcadia;
4. @Santabomb;
7. @Soulmaster;
8. @FireUmbreon;
9. @FrostyGaga;
10. @Bomika;
12. @Gotpika;
13. @Poyo; @Master Mew;
15. @Elysion;
16. @HumanDawn;
17. @Baron Dante;
18. @Lola Loveless;
19. @Greece;
20. @The coolest cal alive;

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Elysion

Now how did it get around that I'm an independent mw-mw?

Sources. Unlike you though I don't go around telling everyone someone's claim when it's a good one.

Anyways I got an interesting claim and I'd like to find out if they're lying, so let's test Rio's ability on that. So everyone let's do this: I am town.

2. @Dark Blueberry;
3. @FinalArcadia;
4. @Santabomb;
7. @Soulmaster;
8. @FireUmbreon;
9. @FrostyGaga;
10. @Bomika;
12. @Gotpika;
13. @Poyo;
@Master Mew;
15. @Elysion;
16. @HumanDawn;
17. @Baron Dante;
18. @Lola Loveless;
19. @Greece;
20. @The coolest cal alive;

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

She's a two shot so it's wise to use it carefully

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Elysion; Congrats! You were Urahara lucky~

Anyways it looks like both the miller and godfather are out now and we can trust any cop checks that come in.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

jokool it's Kamishiro not Kamishirto. If Ryoga is back in you should take note of that yourself

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Akuraito

I think he meant to do that, though. ^^;

I know. I called one of them Kamishirto in the all stars mafia, so I was just teasing

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

I also noticed that @Santabomb; voted no lynch on Sputnik, who was later found out on to be mafia. Not only that asks why people think Rio's suspicious. It just doesn't make sense to me that he would go no lynch when the majority of players are voting for somebody. I think it would just make more sense not to vote. This makes me kinda feel that he's being kinda suspicious.

You're actually not the first to notice that. And I agree as I've pointed out previous phases that that behavior made no sense. @Santabomb; Give a good reason to not vote you because right now you're looking the most like mafia.

Also as DB already said: The FT seems to be implying a commuter or a jailor

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

VOTE: Santabomb You've been striking me as suspicious for a while now and I'm acting on it.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Because I'm nice and forgot to @Santabomb; You have four votes on you
@Master Mew; If Santabomb turns up mafia then it's possible that none of us voting him are mafia, because like you said the case is weak and there isn't much to go on, so mafia could still save him.

Also I'm not saying that he's town, but Dark Lord did just sub in and like me and FA noticed Santabomb's mistakes.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

While voting in bandwagons isn't odd for mafia, I just find it odd that mafia would bus at this point, in reference to the fact that Dark Lord just subbed in and is calling out Santabomb. So far the deaths are one town who ended up being the restless spirit, one indep, and two mafia. We also just had an indep win. The game started with 20 and if we don't count MM, we're at 15. I'm guessing there's 4-5 mafia meaning we have to find 2-3 more. So mafia isn't doing so well right now and town while we have lost votes, we still have all our members for scumhunting.
@Santabomb; Are you saying that mafia targeted you for the night kill?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Santabomb; Again. Were you implying before that mafia targeted you last night. That would mean you're a commuter or there is a Jailer. So tell us were you targeted, and how do you know?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Santabomb; Why did you think the mafia targeted you?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Santabomb

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Santabomb; Why did you think the mafia targeted you?

Details in the phase update indicated it. Then I reread my role PM and realized I was wrong.

The flavor text indicated a commuter or jailer. If there's a jailer then that would be good info for us to know in the off chance someone like the cop get's protected by the jailer

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Santabomb; Odd that you choose to tell us right before leaving and then you vote Dark Lord without any reason

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Dark Blueberry; He did but his timing was horrible and he had made himself look scummy. I liked Byakuya too. :(

Anyways FoS on @Baron Dante; and @Dark Lord;

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Baron Dante; You jumped on the bandwagon 45 minutes before the update and haven't done much to help the town.
@Dark Lord; You just subbed in and have done nothing to prove yourself yet.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@TheDarkLord; I don't know why no one else is really conversing, but all I'm doing is scumhunting as I've been doing since night one after Sputnik's comment. And I know what I said. One way of getting reactions is voting and FoSing. Also how can you vote me right now if it's the night phase ;P

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Akuraito; She protected me night 2, and she could have misclaimed though I only know of her claiming to me and one other. The other person's ability I know and they haven't really struck me as mafia but I could be wrong.

DB I shall avenge you.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

So here is what I've seen in game so far

3. @FinalArcadia; Seems town through actions
7. @Soulmaster;Haven't seen activity really
8. @TheDarkLord; Just subbed in . I'm honestly leaning more towards town, but again just subbed in so I could be wrong
9. @FrostyGaga; Seems town.
10. @Bomika; Haven't seen much activity
11. @Midorikawa; Town 100%
12. @Gotpika; Haven't seen much activity
13. @Poyo; Haven't seen much activity @Master Mew; Is dead
16. @HumanDawn; Just subbed in. One of the leaders in lynching Rio
17. @Baron Dante; Voted Santabomb, hasn't shown much activity till recently
18. @Ryoga Kamishiro; Just re-subbed in. Hasn't shown much activity
19. @Greece; Hasn't shown much activity
20. @Akuraito; Hasn't shown much activity

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Ryoga Kamishiro

Not showing much activity doesn't mean anything. Just because someone's active they seem Town? I understand not saying much makes it hard to gather evidence, but still.

I never said that either. I was pointing out that there's a lot of inactivity in this game and it's really harming the progress.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@TheDarkLord; We're not dictating at all. Anyone can easily change the discussion. It's everyone's choice not to discuss anything. We're simply trying to find the remaining mafia and we're not exactly getting much help

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

@FinalArcadia;
-How exactly have I been dictating group actions?
-"I'm not saying we should just go and pick off those who are quiet one-by-one until we hit gold, but I also think we should keep those people in the back of our minds. Since without being very vocal, it's easy to forget about them." You're pretty much implicitly telling us to lynch the quiet people. I don't necessarily think that silence proves you to be mafia. And FYI I provided the initial reasons to vote for Santabomb, so obviously I would vote for him.

Actually it can be scumtell in games that don't require activity that's posting in thread, meaning mafia can get by by posting in their QT. It also is very harmful. In the Zexal mafia we accidentally lynched the doctor because they didn't even defend themselves.

VOTE: Greece
@Greece; Defense?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Greece; Mafia could be playing us so might as well claim and maybe we'll change our minds

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Akuraito

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Mafia could be playing us so might as well claim and maybe we'll change our minds

How could they be playing us? It'd be suicide to lie about receiving a cop check or pretending to be the cop.

It's possible. They could be bussing each other though that would be dumb to do at this point

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Ahh I like Greece's character. By the way I hate you right now jokool. I thought I could figure out if claims match a character and stuff because I thought I knew who the mafia were, but now you're doing shinigami and hollows.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

Confirm reporting in

Good now you can claim

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Okay. Soulmaster wasn't exactly active and that ability could have been dangerous if he redirected something like silencing or roleblocking on the cop so it seems we lucked out.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Mafia is being weird throughout this game. I thought I would have been dead by now, or some other active player but I guess not.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

They're picking on the quiet people to avoid getting exposed. Quite clever.

Oh how do you know that. Could it be that you're mafia now???

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

They're picking on the quiet people to avoid getting exposed. Quite clever.

Oh how do you know that. Could it be that you're mafia now???

First of all, no to that.
Second, well - I'd have to say that IF I were mafia, I'd kill off the quiet people cuz quiet people sometimes has really powerful roles than active people. But I've been told it isn't a good idea by experienced players. So the mafia could be using reverse psychology.

Or maybe they rolecop'd him before.

If I was mafia I would have killed me and the others who have been active in lynching so far, but I guess they're aiming for the cop.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Baron Dante

@Midorikawa; Maybe you are Mafia and you are just saying that if you were Mafia you would kill yourself so that you aren't thought of being MAfia because that hasn't happened yet?

Yup I'm totally mafia. That's why I bussed Sputnik, and called out Rio not changing my mind until she claimed lie detector, which I was then going to use to see if someone was town. Yup I'm 100% mafia hence why I've been scumhunting my own buddies, and have helped lynch three of them now.

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Baron Dante

I would've thought Bomika would've been the target. Since y'know, the whole being more or less the only known copchecked person (Well, that's what I'd assume. Technically it still could not be a cop, but meh), with the small chance of her being the cop itself, coming out to give that piece of info.

Perhaps Bomika WAS the choice - and Soulmaster used his ability on Bomika and the kill was randomly redirected onto him.

Maybe, thought it seems more like he was the target and didn't use his ability.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by jokool

@Dark Blueberry; will be subbing for Poyo.

Apparently Poyo was the Doctor. :p

DB was the doctor and then was night killed and just subbed in. We don't know Poyo's ability though

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

Originally Posted by Master Mew

@Midorikawa
@Dark Blueberry

I was kidding... (ya know, cuz DB's always the Doc...)

Aw, come on, guys! I'm dead and I still can't make joke posts?

Well you're just a ghost at this point XDD

But my recent roles - in your game and this game and Rio's yugioh GX game - three consecutive doctor roles XDD everybody must love me.

Anyways, we should get the quiet people talking so we have a lead ;_;

I actually was thinking you might be mafia until you were killed because of all the doc roles you were getting.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Yup I'm totally mafia.

I would like to hear more about this.

I believe I stated my proof to Baron Dante already. You should really pay more attention to other's posts ;P

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Guys I'm mafia. ;P

Anyways I think I'll help with those ISO's. They're really useful.

Here's FrostyGaga's

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

I want to play, even though I never watched past Rukia's capture.

Either Higurashi or Durarara. Watch both!

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Confirming.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

VOTE: Mafia

We won.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Sputnik is the most suspicious so far to me. If only because her request from the cop could have made an inexperienced cop accidentally reveal themselves in thread.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Not entirely sure what you're getting at. I don't have any secret info on her, if that's what you mean.

Out of the reasons given in thread by others (that she's trying to get a god father cleared or that she's bussing mafia) the reason I posted is the one that makes me suspect her most.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Everything about the Sputnik situation is WIFOM. We can't determine what Sputnik was thinking, since we don't know how far she planned ahead, if at all.

We do know that she tried to bait the cop into revealing themselves and in the process get Rio checked.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

If we mis lynch a townie in the process of scum hunting, then okay. Unless they're the cop or doc we're not losing anything really.

We'd be losing votes. That's important.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

In end game, every vote counts. And we'd lose one voice. Other roles are important too, not just the power roles.

I'm not saying I now find Rio trustworthy at all, though. I think it's more likely that Sputnik tried to get a fellow mafioso "cleared" than the competing theory that she planned for us to lynch Rio after her death.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Not a lot of people will voice their suspicions until after the night kill and role results come in, understandably.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

So Rio claimed to someone and nothing came of it?

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Claims get around like Ditto after 9 shots of vodka. Anyway, I don't know what to think, it'd be pretty bold for a mafioso, but really easy to fake.
I'd really like a result screenshot if you used it :D

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro

Goodness me, I told her for a reason and ONLY her... How utterly pleasant.
I've never used my ability.

I might as well come out in thread and say it at this point, but I'm sure this news has gotten around to everyone even though I only wanted two people to know right now...

Well, I mean, for a claim to cause mass unvoting everyone would need to know it and believe the claim or really trust the recipient (in this case Elysion).

Oh, and I thought you used your ability on Elysion since your reasoning for sending her it was contradictory. But I guess not. Which makes me think you knew she was town because you yourself are mafia. That along with the Sputnik debacle:
Vote: Rio

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

@Rio Kamishiro; What are the restrictions on you role? How long can the statement you are "detecting" possibly be? Can you detect alignments? And roles? Did you have anyone in mind to use it on? If so who and why them?

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Yay~, glad we lynched such a powerful mafia role.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Originally Posted by Baron Dante

Err, who didn't something and whatnow?
Also I see a peculiar edit.

Seems like he's saying he was mistaken when he thought the mafia targeted him.

I wonder if we'll ever get a commuter claim.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Vote: Greece

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Oh, that claim really cements it, huh? xD
Paranoid cops aren't common enough here to warrant distrusting the cop check. And I don't think mafia would lie about a cop check now with their numbers so low.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

That's certainly possible. Unlikely, but possible. There's an infinite amount of equally unlikely scenarios in which Greece isn't mafia. But unless someone has a better target (and said target would have to be huge, there's no incentive to keep a confessed roleblocker in.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Just saying, but maybe we shouldn't be advising the mafia :P

3. @FinalArcadia;
8. @TheDarkLord;
9. @FrostyGaga;
10. @Bomika;
11. @Midorikawa;
12. @Gotpika;
13. @Dark Blueberry; @Master Mew;
16. @HumanDawn;
17. @Baron Dante;
18. @Ryoga Kamishiro;
20. @Akuraito;

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Honestly I rather go after TheDarkLord because he's more active and therefore a threat, but alright, unless we hear something from Bomika about another mysterious proof of mafia

VOTE: Gotpika @Gotpika; defense?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Gotpika; Claim, unless you rather be lynched.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Gotpika; I guess what FrostyGaga, and if you don't trust one of us then just claim to someone trustworthy that you trust

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Gotpika; Um why did you mention me?

@Master Mew; DB claimed night 2 to me and someone else. I found it to be a possible fake claimso I was going to use Rio to fin out. Sorry DB for not fully trusting you. Also for the record, and I'll screenshot them when I am on my computer, the night she died I told her to protect herself over me because we weren't sure who to trust at that point. Of course she couldn't protect herself so she protected me again. Would you like me to claim here in thread?

UNVOTE: Gotpika
VOTE:TheDarkLord because I'm assuming you claimed to Human and your ability is town @TheDarkLord; while you did call out Santabomb, there could easily be a role cop so you could have been mafia trying to lynch him. Also you keep attacking FA and I for discussing saying were controlling discussion. Seems like you're mafia afraid of finding you and your other scum buddy

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Master Mew; or maybe I liked it because I actually thought it was funny. Also do you want me to claim in thread for you?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Akuraito; we haven't seen much from you from this game till now when mafia is low. Why so against the role cop idea? Also fake claims happen. All star mafia fake cop claim. Apparently he claimed to Human

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Master Mew; @FrostyGaga; since he aske as well and claime to me. Everyone I'm one time lynch proof.
@FinalArcadia; as I said earlier I rather attack TheDarkLord but was trusting you guys on GotPika despite the lack of evidence
@TheDarkLord; three votes on you

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Master Mew; @FrostyGaga; since he aske as well and claime to me. Everyone I'm one time lynch proof.

@FinalArcadia; as I said earlier I rather attack TheDarkLord but was trusting you guys on GotPika despite the lack of evidence

@TheDarkLord; three votes on you
@Akuraito; doesn't mean that it can't happen again either. Also any could say if they were mafia they would do this or that so that reasoning is flawed.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Akuraito

Odds are severely against that possibility for reasons already stated, though.

Yet it's much more believable when it's been proven frequently, only one time being different. I'm pretty much always the same when I'm mafia, and you have to admit that.

If you've realized you're always the same as mafia, you'll change the next time you're mafia - which I'm beginning to suspect is now.

Also, someone please vig-kill Midorikawa.

Okay I've been calm this whole time about your suspicions on me but now I'm annoyed because you want someone to vig kill me which would do nothing but help the mafia. Tell me what have you done to help the town?

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Akuraito; I never said he's manipulating us. I just said that he's concentrating on me and saying I'm guilty, and while I didn't care up to this point, if there is a vig killer and they actually believe him then they kill me during the night phase. If he wants to take me down because he believes I'm mafia then let him convince townies to vote me and lynch me during the day phase when I actually can defend myself being while he thinks I'm mafia for some unfathomable reason, others know I'm town because I've proven it.

@Master Mew; I IOSed myself for you. I think I got them all.
@Akuraito; Well let's see I was the only one against Sputnik, and when I said maybe she's silenced, then others started voting her. I then presented evidence against other players during night 2. Most of it towards Rio who turned up mafia. I didn't trust Rio until she claimed to me. In the All Star mafia I did the same as this, spent night 2 providing evidence against players, two of which turned up mafia. In another game (I forgot which) I trusted a mafia, which I mistakenly did again in this mafia with Rio. jokool was the mafia I trusted in the game, and I know Human was the one who found out he was mafia and led the town to victory in the end of the game. Also I said one time lynch proof. Don't make it sound like I said infinite lynch proof. Let the cop cop check me though they would be wasting the night phase as it could be used to check you or someone else who has done absolutely nothing to help the town.

EDIT: A bunch of my quotes of myself disappeared. Let me go re-IOS myself

Has everyone stopped voting finally? Good! My head was starting to spin...

VOTING LOCKED!!! UPDATE PENDING.....

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Well let's see I was the only one against Sputnik, and when I said maybe she's silenced, then others started voting her. I then presented evidence against other players during night 2. Most of it towards Rio who turned up mafia. I didn't trust Rio until she claimed to me. In the All Star mafia I did the same as this, spent night 2 providing evidence against players, two of which turned up mafia. In another game (I forgot which) I trusted a mafia, which I mistakenly did again in this mafia with Rio. jokool was the mafia I trusted in the game, and I know Human was the one who found out he was mafia and led the town to victory in the end of the game. Also I said one time lynch proof. Don't make it sound like I said infinite lynch proof. Let the cop cop check me though they would be wasting the night phase as it could be used to check you or someone else who has done absolutely nothing to help the town.

With Sputnik's request of checking Rio, it was likely that she would have been lynched sooner or later; and although my memory may be faulty, I thought that FinalArcadia was against Sputnik as well? The same goes for Rio, really.

If you won't accept my meta, I won't accept yours.

And? It would still be wasting a day phase if we did.

You make it sound as if I've contributed absolutely nothing. I've been trying.

@Akuraito; I haven't seen you doing anything till now, and also go relook over day 2. People said that they found it odd, but no one did anything until I brought up silencing.

@Midorikawa For the record, the Vig-comment was a reaction-test.

@Master Mew; Okay and what does it tell you about me

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Master Mew; Okay and what does it tell you about me

Technically all it tells me is that you got angry and flew off the handle. You're usually a pretty calm player, though, so it looks more like scum angry that they're being accused for the wrong reasons.

*hides behind couch*

@Master Mew; You're post literally made no sense to me, and yes I fly off the handle sometimes when I get annoyed. In the GSCHGSS mafia I got defensive when people thought I was mafia when I was town. Ethan to be exact, with one time lynch proof in that game too...the irony between these games.

@Midorikawa; while you did call out Santabomb, there could easily be a role cop so you could have been mafia trying to lynch him. Also you keep attacking FA and I for discussing saying were controlling discussion. Seems like you're mafia afraid of finding you and your other scum buddy

Well, to defend myself I went after Santabomb because he seemed the most suspicious and a majority of you agreed.

Also yes, I did attack FA and you because it is true that both of you were outputting most of the information within the thread (and still are). In the worse case scenario, if both of you were mafia, the game would be over because everyone would just follow along. Also, I still find it weird that you two can be so talkative without attracting mafia kill it just doesn't add up for me. Yea I find you both dangerous because of the amount of voice you have ,but I don't think that that make me mafia.

And if I was mafia I would have nightkilled you both a long time ago for being so chatty instead if complaining about it :)

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Master Mew; You're post literally made no sense to me, and yes I fly off the handle sometimes when I get annoyed. In the GSCHGSS mafia I got defensive when people thought I was mafia when I was town. Ethan to be exact, with one time lynch proof in that game too...the irony between these games.

This is kind of what I'm getting at, though: When a post doesn't make sense, I would expect you to ask me to elaborate, not go into attack-mode.

Is it possible that you're town and you just don't like being accused? Yes. But honestly I think you're a better player than to respond that way as Town.

@Master Mew; I can't quote because I'm attempting my IOS again, but the only post of yours that confused me was where you just hid behind the couch.