Thread: Bleach Mafia ~ ENDGAME ~ 12/6/12 ~ Soul Society and Elysion have won!

Regarding Rio:

1. Rio's alignments in previous games are completely irrelevant, as the roles are assigned randomly in each game - prior events have no bearing on the outcome. Gambler's Fallacy.

2. The crux of the case against Rio is composed of actions taken by another player (Sputnik). They shouldn't be disregarded, of course, but it's kind of ridiculous to ask Rio to explain why Sputnik did something.

3. I still suspect Midorikawa. Your play in this game has left me with the impression that you intend to look pro-town. Spurring others to be more active, commenting on how important it (obviously) is to "do something" in the Day Phase (a post which, ironically, did not put forth any substantial scumreads or townreads of its own), etc. There is, of course, nothing wrong with being pro-town, but you seem intent on convincing us you are pro-town, which is an entirely different story. Townies are pro-town, Scum try to look pro-town. At the moment, you seem to be angling for the latter category.

Just some things to consider.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Reason for stating that it's late and you'll be busy?

Even though I thought there wouldn't be any particular changes in terms of the lynch, such as Sputnik being cleared by fairymagic or something, I was leaving, thus I figured it'd be good for you guys to actually know that I'm not going to be able to take the vote off.
@Master Mew; There's that long post AFTER the Day Phase though.

Originally Posted by Baron Dante

@Master Mew; There's that long post AFTER the Day Phase though.

Yes, I know. Funny how Midorikawa was suddenly so engaged in scumhunting once the Night Phase hit - when we can't lynch anyway.

If Midorikawa had been so engaged during the Day Phase (instead of just telling others to be so), that would have been a far more effective method of spurring activity. Mafia can make cases during the Night Phase with impunity because they rarely lead to lynches the next Day anyway, as they are often either forgotten or buried in Nightkill WIFOM (the inevitable result of stating your case before the Mafia chooses their target).

@Rio Kamishiro; Mafia don't vote mafia day one? I think you need to look back at the All Stars Mafia when you guys were all voting each other day one.
@Master Mew; There wasn't really anything to go on during the previous phases until day phase 2. I'm doing it in the night phase because in the case I die tonight you all have evidence presented before you. Also I did the same thing in the All Stars Mafia which you were in. Night 2 ironically, I went through the thread and quoted and posted my thoughts on posts, and I actually FoSed two of the mafia members. So yeah it isn't odd for me to do this come night phase after I just gained more evidence during the day phase.

For reference here is the All Star giant quote of mine (Also no idea why it says day phase 2 being I was silenced then, and the posts above and below it indicate it's night 2)

There were cases that mafia players place votes on their teammate during Day 1 to avoid suspicion of being in a team.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Rio Kamishiro; Mafia don't vote mafia day one? I think you need to look back at the All Stars Mafia when you guys were all voting each other day one.

I don't recall saying they didn't. That's just META, though.

i confirm my role

ok let me catch up wit the thread again

Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Rio Kamishiro; Mafia don't vote mafia day one? I think you need to look back at the All Stars Mafia when you guys were all voting each other day one.

I don't recall saying they didn't. That's just META, though.

Everything's META. I see that way too many times. People will think they won't do it so they end up doing it because it will be so expected its unexpected, and then that makes it expected, and well we end up with a loop. It's not just that incriminates you. It's other thing as well which I presented. You're haven't given any good reason to trust you at all.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

You're haven't given any good reason to trust you at all.

What am I supposed to say, it's not as if I've done much except vote Sputnik.

Everything you're going off of is what SHE did, not me. I'm afraid I cannot speak for any player other than myself.

Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

You're haven't given any good reason to trust you at all.

What am I supposed to say, it's not as if I've done much except vote Sputnik.

Everything you're going off of is what SHE did, not me. I'm afraid I cannot speak for any player other than myself.

Claim to me then. Prove your innocence that way, or is your ability godfather? Maybe godfather role cop and that's why you're so afraid to claim but willing to be checked.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

You're haven't given any good reason to trust you at all.

What am I supposed to say, it's not as if I've done much except vote Sputnik.

Everything you're going off of is what SHE did, not me. I'm afraid I cannot speak for any player other than myself.

Claim to me then. Prove your innocence that way, or is your ability godfather? Maybe godfather role cop and that's why you're so afraid to claim but willing to be checked.

Heh, I don't remember saying that I wanted the cop to check me. I would claim, but I'm certainly not going to if I don't trust you. Which I don't.

This all seems like it could have been what Sputnik wanted to happen. Think of this way, what if she intentionally called Rio out for a cop check, and said she's always mafia, because she wanted the Town to waste their time focusing only on Rio, who may be innocent.

I haven't seen very much evidence against Rio to make her look scummy, other than what Sputnik said before, which was meta anyway.

Again everything is META in mafias. Seriously just stop using that word.
@Rio Kamishiro; sorry about the check part. I remembered you mentioning being cop checked but re read the post and you said that it'd be pointless to ask.
@Ryoga Kamishiro; How would that have us wasting time on Rio? No one here is even bringing her large amount o times a mafia into play, which was what Sputnik used as an excuse. Mafia have a tendency to reveal other mafia through their actions. If we mis lynch a townie in the process of scum hunting, then okay. Unless they're the cop or doc we're not losing anything really.

If you want me to not vote Rio then give me a real reason not to.

Also @Santabomb; You're still on my FoS list, and I like to hear responses about your posts.

Everything about the Sputnik situation is WIFOM. We can't determine what Sputnik was thinking, since we don't know how far she planned ahead, if at all.

We do know that she tried to bait the cop into revealing themselves and in the process get Rio checked.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

If we mis lynch a townie in the process of scum hunting, then okay. Unless they're the cop or doc we're not losing anything really.

We'd be losing votes. That's important.

@FrostyGaga; one vote.