Thread: Bleach Mafia ~ ENDGAME ~ 12/6/12 ~ Soul Society and Elysion have won!

She's clear.

oh and omfg did you HAVE TO PUT IN HER CONFIRM ROLE POST TOO???

I agree with Human here. Been way too helpful for it to just be bussing, honestly. (Or, maybe TOO helpful, but I really doubt that)

This is why we go into ISO - you can catch patterns you might otherwise miss. Everyone is a suspect unless you have irrefutable evidence - though some people are more suspicious than others.

I need sleep, but I'll get into Mido's ISO tomorrow. Unless someone else wants to do it.

ISO time?
I honestly do not have any leads currently, take from that what you will. I don't think Midori is mafia though.

Originally Posted by Bomika

I don't think Midori is mafia though.

Why?

I'm not liking all of the confident towntells being touted without explanation (not talking specifically about you, Bomika, just in general).

@Master Mew; mhmm I am next now? ;w;
Basically what she has done so far. I do admit that I am not ignoring other possibilities, like a townie being converted or something.

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Bomika

I don't think Midori is mafia though.

Why?

I'm not liking all of the confident towntells being touted without explanation (not talking specifically about you, Bomika, just in general).

I think Mido is pretty much in the same situation as FA here. A lot of similarities in what has been done.

Originally Posted by Bomika

Basically what she has done so far.

For example?

EDIT: Oh, and yes, I'm probably going to start tunneling you, now. :p

You guys are more of testing if I remember everything right rather than if anyone is suspicious. ><

I don't think putting suspicion on teammates would have benefited her if she was mafia. One, maybe, to avoid being seen as town, but two sounds too much. Plus the fact that she tried to get discussions started seems town-ish to me.

Originally Posted by Bomika

You guys are more of testing if I remember everything right rather than if anyone is suspicious. ><

I don't think putting suspicion on teammates would have benefited her if she was mafia. One, maybe, to avoid being seen as town, but two sounds too much. Plus the fact that she tried to get discussions started seems town-ish to me.

Casting suspicion on everyone, including your team-mates, is good scumplay.

Spurring conversation is a good way to earn town-cred with little risk, as well.

How would you rank the remaining players in likelihood of flipping scum?

Guys I'm mafia. ;P

Anyways I think I'll help with those ISO's. They're really useful.

Here's FrostyGaga's

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

I want to play, even though I never watched past Rukia's capture.

Either Higurashi or Durarara. Watch both!

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Confirming.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

VOTE: Mafia

We won.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Sputnik is the most suspicious so far to me. If only because her request from the cop could have made an inexperienced cop accidentally reveal themselves in thread.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Not entirely sure what you're getting at. I don't have any secret info on her, if that's what you mean.

Out of the reasons given in thread by others (that she's trying to get a god father cleared or that she's bussing mafia) the reason I posted is the one that makes me suspect her most.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Everything about the Sputnik situation is WIFOM. We can't determine what Sputnik was thinking, since we don't know how far she planned ahead, if at all.

We do know that she tried to bait the cop into revealing themselves and in the process get Rio checked.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

If we mis lynch a townie in the process of scum hunting, then okay. Unless they're the cop or doc we're not losing anything really.

We'd be losing votes. That's important.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

In end game, every vote counts. And we'd lose one voice. Other roles are important too, not just the power roles.

I'm not saying I now find Rio trustworthy at all, though. I think it's more likely that Sputnik tried to get a fellow mafioso "cleared" than the competing theory that she planned for us to lynch Rio after her death.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Not a lot of people will voice their suspicions until after the night kill and role results come in, understandably.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

So Rio claimed to someone and nothing came of it?

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Claims get around like Ditto after 9 shots of vodka. Anyway, I don't know what to think, it'd be pretty bold for a mafioso, but really easy to fake.
I'd really like a result screenshot if you used it :D

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Originally Posted by Rio Kamishiro

Goodness me, I told her for a reason and ONLY her... How utterly pleasant.
I've never used my ability.

I might as well come out in thread and say it at this point, but I'm sure this news has gotten around to everyone even though I only wanted two people to know right now...

Well, I mean, for a claim to cause mass unvoting everyone would need to know it and believe the claim or really trust the recipient (in this case Elysion).

Oh, and I thought you used your ability on Elysion since your reasoning for sending her it was contradictory. But I guess not. Which makes me think you knew she was town because you yourself are mafia. That along with the Sputnik debacle:
Vote: Rio

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

@Rio Kamishiro; What are the restrictions on you role? How long can the statement you are "detecting" possibly be? Can you detect alignments? And roles? Did you have anyone in mind to use it on? If so who and why them?

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Yay~, glad we lynched such a powerful mafia role.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Originally Posted by Baron Dante

Err, who didn't something and whatnow?
Also I see a peculiar edit.

Seems like he's saying he was mistaken when he thought the mafia targeted him.

I wonder if we'll ever get a commuter claim.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Vote: Greece

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Oh, that claim really cements it, huh? xD
Paranoid cops aren't common enough here to warrant distrusting the cop check. And I don't think mafia would lie about a cop check now with their numbers so low.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

That's certainly possible. Unlikely, but possible. There's an infinite amount of equally unlikely scenarios in which Greece isn't mafia. But unless someone has a better target (and said target would have to be huge, there's no incentive to keep a confessed roleblocker in.

Originally Posted by FrostyGaga

Just saying, but maybe we shouldn't be advising the mafia :P

3. @FinalArcadia;
8. @TheDarkLord;
9. @FrostyGaga;
10. @Bomika;
11. @Midorikawa;
12. @Gotpika;
13. @Dark Blueberry; @Master Mew;
16. @HumanDawn;
17. @Baron Dante;
18. @Ryoga Kamishiro;
20. @Akuraito;

I'd say he's clear with what he has said.

Here is a collection of all the posts made by TheDarkLord.

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

role confirmed

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

I also noticed that @Santabomb voted no lynch on Sputnik, who was later found out on to be mafia. Not only that asks why people think Rio's suspicious. It just doesn't make sense to me that he would go no lynch when the majority of players are voting for somebody. I think it would just make more sense not to vote. This makes me kinda feel that he's being kinda suspicious.

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

Why cant you vote?

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

Vote: Santabomb
for reasons previously stated.

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

I just subbed in an noticed that he is the most suspicious one so far based on the chat. But honestly, if this Santabomb is in fact scum wouldn't it be more likely that one of the people who didn't vote for him are scum?

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

well......that was a collective failure. >_< Now I just don't really know.

@Midorikawa: Can you give me the reason for the FoS so that I can at least try to defend myself?

And can someone tell me how to do the @ sign thing, imma kinda new at the bulbagarden

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

thank you jokool

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

@Midorikawa; lol so ur evidence against me is that there's a lack of evidence to prove me innocent?

What happened to innocent until proven guilty. And anyway you said it yourself: I just subbed in so of course I don't have a mountain of evidence for me.

Also, I would like to point out that when I presented my suspicion of Santabomb you were really quick to point out that “You're actually not the first to notice that. And I agree as I've pointed out previous phases that that behavior made no sense. @Santabomb; Give a good reason to not vote you because right now you're looking the most like mafia.” Well if you really thought that first why didn't share it with the group?

And is it just me or does anyone else feel that weird feeling Midorikawa has been controlling the thread convesation. I donno if its your playstyle but it really seems that you're being awfully aggressive in steering the group's decisions this whole game. Its like you're dictating the will of the group to get suspicion off yourself the whole time so if anything:

FoS:Midorikawa

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

@FinalArcadia;"I'm saying that if you look at the numbers, the odds are pretty good that at least one mafioso is in that inactive group. It's just probability."

......Honestly, the probability of someone in the quiet group being mafia is equal to the probability of someone in the talkative group being mafia. Assume you are mafia for a second. It would obviously make sense for you to say that the mafia in in the quiet group because you've been so talkative yourself. This would essentially cause the town to lynch a quiet townie while you just sit back and laugh. Sorry, I just don't like the way you're dictating the group decisions.

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

@FinalArcadia;
-How exactly have I been dictating group actions?
-"I'm not saying we should just go and pick off those who are quiet one-by-one until we hit gold, but I also think we should keep those people in the back of our minds. Since without being very vocal, it's easy to forget about them." You're pretty much implicitly telling us to lynch the quiet people. I don't necessarily think that silence proves you to be mafia. And FYI I provided the initial reasons to vote for Santabomb, so obviously I would vote for him.

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

Vote: Greece

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

@Greece; It makes sense that the evidence is real because the cop copchecked Bomika and saw that she was town and gave her the info. This is only possible since the godfather is dead there is no other role who can trick the cop. Also if Bomika is wrong, we can just assume that either her or her source is mafia. That means all we have to do is ask her for the source. The next two lynches will be on Bomika and her source and there is a 100% chance that one of them is mafia. All we gotta do then is lynch both of them in the next two day phases. But I would really doubt that Bomika would put herself out there like this if she was really mafia, it would be pretty stupid.

Personally, I still find him suspicious. I think his fifth post sounds kind of scummy, as does his post against Midorikawa. It's as though he wanted to stop anyone who was talkative in-thread... was there a secret motive behind that? I don't know for sure, but I can't shake my doubts about him.

I agree, FrostyGaga sounds like a splendid, townish, sexy chap.

And since we're ISOing everyone here's Gotpika's posts:

Originally Posted by Gotpika

got

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Vote:Greece

Because Hetalia sucks. : P

Originally Posted by Gotpika

That was incredibly lucky 0_o

Even though I'm just now getting caught up on the events of these phases

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Originally Posted by Akuraito

Okay, so... To be honest, I'm not entirely seeing Rio as scummy. Sputnik could have been easily baiting the cop into revealing themselves, and the way that she felt would be the least suspicious way to do this would be through asking them to check Rio; if we were to use meta, Sputnik often comments on or jokingly votes Rio due to how often she has been mafia, meaning that it would have been possible to brush it off or have it be ignored, right? And if she got lynched hey, look, Rio'll come and take the fall. There wasn't much to lose in choosing Rio above everyone else.

That being said, everything in the argument here on both sides is WIFOM. If nothing better comes along, I suppose it would be most logical to lynch her; really, though, I think we should be looking at some alternatives first, if anyone has any.

This coupled with the fact Ryoga was just killed and Ryoga was the only one defending Rio is kinda changing my opinion on the matter since I was actually for killing Rio before her death. It makes me wonder why Ryoga, an indenpendent vanilla, was targeted of all things.

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Originally Posted by FinalArcadia

Originally Posted by Gotpika

This coupled with the fact Ryoga was just killed and Ryoga was the only one defending Rio is kinda changing my opinion on the matter since I was actually for killing Rio before her death. It makes me wonder why Ryoga, an indenpendent vanilla, was targeted of all things.

To be honest, I doubt they knew she was an independent vanilla, as even if they have a rolecop who checked her, that wouldn't have told them her alignment.

That she was the one defending Rio is interesting, but she could have been killed in an attempt to cause confusion amongst us. There's no way of knowing, I suppose, but I still find Rio very suspicious... and certainly the person most worth lynching.

Well, I hear what you're saying in that regard, it just seems all too convenient, ya know?

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Wow, so Rio was mafia. ._. Still can't believe Sputnik actually gave her away like that.

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Originally Posted by Bomika

I received info from a trustworthy source. Greece is mafia.

Vote: Greece

Cop check?

Vote:Greece

EDIT:Also srs about the inactivty am currently catching up now.

Shifty, eh? Or maybe I'm just overly paranoid of his lack of voting for any mafioso other than a last minute vote on Greece.

Okay, looking at all of his posts like that, I too am seeing the scum vibes.

Now that we know Greece was mafia, his day one vote is rather interesting to look at (which was for her). He also seemed very hesitant in voting for Rio. So that's connections to two known mafioso right there.

Might not be a bad lynch target today.