Thread: Atelier Arland Mafia - ENDGAME (Alchemists and Independent Win!) - 2/1

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

...this might sound stupid, but what did Zima ever do to you guys? XDD I know she's usually scummy all the time - it looks like you're obsessed XDD

Because she's posted something interesting to talk about? Her posting in green?

Seems like a weird ability, posting in green is a restriction? How does it in all inhibit anything she can do in the game aside from it being green-tinted? Regardless I guess I buy it, seems like a pointless restriction though.

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Seems like a weird ability, posting in green is a restriction? How does it in all inhibit anything she can do in the game aside from it being green-tinted? Regardless I guess I buy it, seems like a pointless restriction though.

It's one of those "For the lulz" abilities. The only time I ever encountered it is when I was restricted to only post gifs in the GX Mafia. I don't know if it ever could be Mafia, but that depends on the host I guess.

EDIT: @Dark Blueberry;

Why did you like my post? XD

Originally Posted by HumanDawn

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Seems like a weird ability, posting in green is a restriction? How does it in all inhibit anything she can do in the game aside from it being green-tinted? Regardless I guess I buy it, seems like a pointless restriction though.

It's one of those "For the lulz" abilities. The only time I ever encountered it is when I was restricted to only post gifs in the GX Mafia. I don't know if it ever could be Mafia, but that depends on the host I guess.

EDIT: @Dark Blueberry;

Why did you like my post? XD

You reminded me of the GIF posting back then XDD I guess what you said wasn't actually a "like"-able post, but what you reminded me was funny LOL. couldn't resist

Originally Posted by Dark Blueberry

Originally Posted by HumanDawn

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Seems like a weird ability, posting in green is a restriction? How does it in all inhibit anything she can do in the game aside from it being green-tinted? Regardless I guess I buy it, seems like a pointless restriction though.

It's one of those "For the lulz" abilities. The only time I ever encountered it is when I was restricted to only post gifs in the GX Mafia. I don't know if it ever could be Mafia, but that depends on the host I guess.

EDIT: @Dark Blueberry;

Why did you like my post? XD

You reminded me of the GIF posting back then XDD I guess what you said wasn't actually a "like"-able post, but what you reminded me was funny LOL. couldn't resist

Well if this post restriction thing is text only, then it's not as fun. XD

I thank you for enjoying my misery in that game, LOL

This may not be a good idea, but what if we looked at the people who didn't vote Akuraito, and see if anyone of those seemed like they were 'suspicious' of her. They could be the secret voter, assuming there is one.

As for the possibilities on a secret voter, how do those usually work? Thinking about it, Beck was awfully set on thinking Aku was 'defending' jokool and getting on her about that. Maybe he's that secret voter?

Originally Posted by Fushimi

This may not be a good idea, but what if we looked at the people who didn't vote Akuraito, and see if anyone of those seemed like they were 'suspicious' of her. They could be the secret voter, assuming there is one.

There was only Zima, Buoy and Beck who had any qualms with her. If there was a secret voter, they wouldn't have expressed their suspicions on Akuraito, especially a Mafia aligned one.

Originally Posted by Momoka

As for the possibilities on a secret voter, how do those usually work? Thinking about it, Beck was awfully set on thinking Aku was 'defending' jokool and getting on her about that. Maybe he's that secret voter?

From what I remember from the Advance Wars Mafia, you have to PM the host in the Day Phase and tell them on who the vote will count. It's also interesting to note FinalArcadia had the role in the same game, so I can see her ripping it off!!! use it as a role in this game. He had already voted for Akuraito and then unvoted her, so I doubt it, but that could be to create the case of WIFOM around it to make people think that he's not the secret voter.

I'm going to come right up front and say that I don't have any special voting power. I was just as surprised about Aku's lynch. I even said a few pages back that if we want anything done then we need to break the tie. From page 10:

Originally Posted by Beck

Well to my knowledge Master Mew, Aku, and Human are all tied with two votes. Unless that changes before ten then we won't be going anywhere. So either we make a move now or we wait another night.

Also, for the record, Joltik hasn't confirmed or posted (ITT). I'm not suggesting we lynch her, but keep that in mind. And unless Jokool posts again there's no reason to worry about him. There's now much more drama than needed, especially when he's not even a part of it. Laying too low for my liking but that's no reason to attack him.

I don't have any idea who could be guilty, at least not at the moment. I do not think that lynching Zima just yet will get us anywhere. She's claimed her role and we don't have any evidence to reject that other than suspicion. I'm not saying she isn't guilty, I'm saying that by the end of this phase we need to find her actually guilty of something (other than being shady) or we need to focus our efforts on someone else.

Originally Posted by Fushimi

This may not be a good idea, but what if we looked at the people who didn't vote Akuraito, and see if anyone of those seemed like they were 'suspicious' of her. They could be the secret voter, assuming there is one.

Yes, they could be a secret voter, but so could anybody. Trying to pin down a shadow is pretty futile.

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Beck

Originally Posted by Zima

I have to post in green with the font size at 4 for the entire phase in order for my vote to count.

Can you explain that a bit further? I'll admit that I'm confused.

She thinks that the Mafia targeted her with a post restriction to find out if she commuted last night. If she had commuted, she would not have been affected by any night actions that targeted her; she has a post restriction today, which means she did not commute last night.

That's the idea, anyway - I'm approaching the whole narrative with a certain level of skepticism.

What reason do you have to be skeptical about her, in all honesty? As well as that, why did you post to reply whenever she had already replied to Beck? It looks to me like you're trying to paint her in a more negative light than, in my opinion, she should be painted in.

She hasn't done anything wrong, per se, but you're all putting her under scrutiny because of a fairly valid claim, as well as claiming to have her post being restricted (and perhaps because she voted Akuraito, but that's hardly anything to blame anybody for, considering it was D1). The point is that there's absolutely nothing proven wrong in what she's saying, and I'd say that, so long as her story stays consistent, we can assume that she's telling the truth until such time wherein there is something she's inherently doing to town detriment or wherein somebody has caught her out, through use of a power role or whatever. I don't see the use in investigating her when she is technically not at fault for anything, so I'm going to continue on from this.

For now, I'm sick of all the 'supposing' and 'maybes' floating about. Supposing anything about what went on with the voting yesterday will not get us anywhere, and there was probably no motivation to kill Akuraito other than she MAY have been one of the only town players in the tied-vote situation (if supposed secret voter is mafia), but that's a completely baseless assumption which gets us nowhere.

There's a difference, however, between what Human was doing in questioning Zima, and what Master Mew was saying when he was questioning her. I just want to pick a little at this:

Originally Posted by Master Mew

Originally Posted by Zima

Once I get lynched, things won't be looking too good for you. :3

So... lynching you will reflect poorly on those who advocated for said lynch? That doesn't make much sense, especially given:

Originally Posted by Zima

I'm honestly surprised I got the role I did. It's often claimed by mafiosi, so I'm just going to hint at it. I'll get lynched after I say the name of it. XDD

You claim your role makes you suspicious. Two problems I have here:

1.) If your role makes you suspicious, then why would lynching you reflect poorly on those who do so?

2.) Why claim that your role makes you suspicious, rather than just claim the suspicious role? Either way, we become suspicious, but with the latter we at least learn what your role is - while the former only communicates to the Mafia that you have a power role without telling the Town anything useful.

1. Yes, lynching her does reflect poorly on whoever advocates it, assuming she's town. That's only natural. Anyone who normally votes on a town lynch is inevitably considered a little more scummy than they previously had been, merely because they helped to lynch a town member, and this applies especially to anybody who LEADS a town bandwagon, which is why mafia generally would stay away from leading a town bandwagon in earlygame (probably something i should've caught onto to try to prevent that mislynch). I don't see how it doesn't make sense, and trying to poke at Zima, claiming that it "doesn't make sense", is specious, rather than substantial, which again is an attempt to paint her in a more suspicious light.

2. A roleclaim is not the be-all and end-all of how suspicious somebody is, and nor should it really be the deciding factor in a lynch (barring actual proof that they're not what they claim to be or suchlike). Besides, she didn't actually say that her role made her suspicious -- just that a lot of mafia claim it (although I've never actually seen a commuter fakeclaim before), and that she'd probably get lynched for claiming it, both of which do not mean that she's saying that her role makes her suspicious. Again, you're being specious in trying to accuse her of inconsistency (and of being mafia, I guess).

3. See 2. Besides that, you say that, "with the latter we at least learn what your role is", yet you go on to doubt what she says anyway, which means that, frankly, you're being inconsistent. Additionally, saying what she did communicates nothing to the mafia that the town won't pick up on -- you're saying that ONLY the mafia will learn she has a power role (which isn't even true: mafia don't always claim power)... and what of the town? Could they not also deduce that she may have a power role, or are we unable to get that idea from what she points out? I guess you modified that by saying "anything useful", but the fact that she is a power role is just as useful to town as it is to mafia: not very. The mafia probably wouldn't kill based on the fact that somebody may have a power role, so it's not like it gives them anything. Anyway, you make this point more from a mafia point of view than a town point-of-view, as you don't seem to realise that what she said did have some import for the town. As well as that, trying to out a claim on Day 1? Yeah. I'm aware that she offered, but you don't need to take her up on it, especially given that it apparently is "only useful to the mafia".

With that, I'm going to Vote: Master Mew.

@Buoy; You say that mafia doesn't lead lynches early on in the games, yet there is no proof of that. Any of the mafia members could have lead a lynch. Maybe even you. There's nothing clearing you to prove that you're not mafia that chose to lead a lynch on a townie. Saying that mafia don't lead lynches early on seems like a way to clear suspicion off of yourself.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Buoy; You say that mafia doesn't lead lynches early on in the games, yet there is no proof of that. Any of the mafia members could have lead a lynch. Maybe even you. There's nothing clearing you to prove that you're not mafia that chose to lead a lynch on a townie. Saying that mafia don't lead lynches early on seems like a way to clear suspicion off of yourself.

I said that mafia generally stay away from leading lynches in earlygame. I never said that the mafia DON'T, nor did I try to affirm that I was not mafia by saying that. Besides, I didn't, as such, LEAD a lynch -- the votes were tied, and it happened to work out that Akuraito got lynched, which doesn't equate to me leading a lynch in the first place. Maybe you should not rush into posting the first thing that pops into your head and actually think about what you're going to say. Anyway, are you really going to disregard the rest of my post just to point out something that isn't even true?

@Buoy; Just because I didn't say anything about the rest does not mean I'm disregarding it. I just have nothing to say about the rest.

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Buoy; Just because I didn't say anything about the rest does not mean I'm disregarding it. I just have nothing to say about the rest.

Really? Absolutely nothing? Well, how nice it must be to be so unopinionated. Shame that it won't do much good in a game of mafia. Surely you can tell me if you agree or disagree with anything and why.

Originally Posted by Buoy

Originally Posted by Midorikawa

@Buoy; Just because I didn't say anything about the rest does not mean I'm disregarding it. I just have nothing to say about the rest.

Really? Absolutely nothing? Well, how nice it must be to be so unopinionated. Shame that it won't do much good in a game of mafia. Surely you can tell me if you agree or disagree with anything and why.

Or maybe I'm watching to see how MM reacts.