The Bulbagarden Conversational Chat Thread Vol 4

[Nick of Time]

@Bikini Miltank; Who's that girl in your signature? I've seen her before but I dunno who she is.

@Avarus-Cantus; Then explain to me why the battle system is so complex. If it were so casual, would there be so much stuff? In game, I don't really give a crap if my Pokemon are EV trained or if my Arcanine knows Flare Blitz, but competitively it's a big deal. If people weren't meant to ever battle competitively at all, why add all the stuff?

Though some people do just take it too far.

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

By playing competitive Pokemon, you're basically saying that you wanna take something designed for fun cas,ual play far too seriously. And it shows.

Because as part of the geek culture, you have to take things seriously and make something not fun and casual.

[TheMissingno.]

@Avarus-Cantus; Adding to what @Exor; said, Nintendo also hosts official tournaments, so they definitely are not blind to the metagame.

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

Even Game Freak is aware of competitive play, and they try their best to nerf certain Pokemon by creating counters.

[Mintaka]

Debating is fine, but please, no taunting comments. That's baiting.
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Even if it's a game, people can take it seriously if they want to. We might word it 'serious', but for them, that's how they enjoy playing it. If I liked the competing with people and winning, I'd like competitive battling and trying to perfect my teams as much as I can as well.

[Shinjiro Aragaki]

@Avarus-Cantus; Then explain to me why the battle system is so complex. If it were so casual, would there be so much stuff? In game, I don't really give a crap if my Pokemon are EV trained or if my Arcanine knows Flare Blitz, but competitively it's a big deal. If people weren't meant to ever battle competitively at all, why add all the stuff?

Though some people do just take it too far.

Well, considering Pokemon didn't get IVs or EVs until Generation 3, it is apparent to me that they only did it to satisfy the people who think Pokemon is more than a pastime.

@GD untrue.

[Nick of Time]

I'm personally tired of this.

I like seafood.

[Bikini Miltank]

@Bikini Miltank; Who's that girl in your signature? I've seen her before but I dunno who she is.

She's Shantae, from an obscure-ish GBC game of the same name. She's a genie who fights pirates with the power of belly dancing. It's awesome.
There was a sequel on DSiware, which is generally considered the best game on the service by a long way (not that there was much competition).

Because as part of the geek culture, you have to take things seriously and make something not fun and casual.

If something isn't fun, and nobody's making you do it...

Why would you do it?

Either this is intended as some ironic commentary on the state of the fandom, or deliberate self-flagellation. Why keep doing something that you don't enjoy?

[Shinjiro Aragaki]

Seafood is good. I love shrimp.
I've had rice like twice a day for the past week.

[Ferbgor]

That Shantae game costs like $12 on the eShop. I don't have that kind of money.

[Bikini Miltank]

Well, considering Pokemon didn't get IVs or EVs until Generation 3, it is apparent to me that they only did it to satisfy the people who think Pokemon is more than a pastime.

EVs and IVs existed since the beginning. They just behaved differently in Gens I and II.
I seem to recall that in Gen II, the Attack IV was used to determine gender.

[Nick of Time]

@Bikini Miltank; Oh, I see. She looks pretty hot. xD

@Avarus-Cantus; I love shrimp. :9

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

I dont eat seafood because of the way it looks (I'm very picky at what I eat).

@GD untrue.

It's actually true; ask Joshawott.

[TheMissingno.]

@Avarus-Cantus; Pokemon definitely did have IVs and EVs in gens 1 and 2. That's why someone in game told you that every pokemon, even of the same species, is slightly different. If EVs didn't exist then vitamins would be useless. IVs are even used in Gen 2 to determine shininess. They just revamped the system in gen 3, which is why you can't trade between gens 2 and 3.

[Bikini Miltank]

That Shantae game costs like $12 on the eShop. I don't have that kind of money.

Have you tried looking up what the original costs?
Over $200 for a boxed copy.