The Bulbagarden Conversational Chat Thread Vol 4

[Faye Valentine]

@Goodbye Blue Monday; Try to write objectively from a neutral standpoint. Unless they explicitly ask for opinion. I try to write objectively as much as possible. To me it helps to improve my writing.

They do ask for opinion. This is an LGBT news website, so we're pro-marriage-equality and generally, pro-Democrats.

And they want my personal spin on things. Which is where I'm having difficulty right now. Figuring out what my personal spin is.

Give the people what they want, but no twisting of truths, please. Use only facts and be honest to your readers.

I'm always honest with my readers! You can have an opinion and still tell the truth.

(By "spin" here I mean more "my analysis of the facts" than twisting them.)

[amethystGoblin]

Its pretty good in battle already, I dont see why it even needs one tbh. Its fine as is.

If I wasn't pretending to be in denial about this I would express my rage towards Sableye getting an evo. Thankfully, it never will, it's too awesome for that.

Sableye is awesome but Sharpedo is pretty meh.

The first part of this post was awesome but the last part sucked. :/

I was gonna post this anyways, but it seems a little relevant to the discussion somehow.

Vanilluxe is amazing. Tastiest Pokemon ever.

[Faye Valentine]

Well, I've got my conclusion written. I love when I end up writing articles out of order and then piece them together.

So there's some big party at one of the lesbian bars in Boston to support a transgender law center or something. It sounds like a shitload of fun and an opportunity to actually get laid meet some cool girls-who-like-girls, so I'm thinking I should go. BUT WHY DO ALL THE LESBIAN THINGS IN BOSTON HAVE TO HAPPEN IN JAMAICA PLAIN. SOOOOOOOO FAR AWAY FROM ME!

[Jolene]

Well, I've got my conclusion written. I love when I end up writing articles out of order and then piece them together.

Pulp Fiction style. I love non linear storylines.

[Faye Valentine]

Well, I've got my conclusion written. I love when I end up writing articles out of order and then piece them together.

Pulp Fiction style. I love non linear storylines.

Well, the piece is linear, I just often don't write it in order. Sometimes it's good to get the ideas down as I have them, and then flesh it out a bit better when I've gone through every point I want to make, had an intro and conclusion, etc. to make sure it all flows together.

ETA: Nevermind, I just wandered in there and saw you do, in fact, have access to the Nicoleta's Campaign Bus forum. I was going to recommend you request access if you hadn't, since you clearly love politics and debating so much.

[Typhlosionisafirebadger]

so uh I'm re-reading Devilman and wow, Ryo is obviously a weird ass dude. His friendship with Akira is nuts

"Akira! Come with me to this crazy ass rave and become a DEMON!" or the classic "that's right, I'm crazy" and at the time you do not realize how right that is

[Faye Valentine]

@Typhlosionisafirebadger; Hey, you're back! We can talk more about Mad Men!

The episode I watched last night ("Maidenform") was pretty good, and it was kind of interesting how they started with the three main female characters getting ready and playing The Decemberists' "The Infanta." Because they usually stick to period music on that show. Not that I disliked it, it was just interesting and gave the entire episode an interesting light.

[Fab]

Anyone here watched The Sopranos?

[Faye Valentine]

Anyone here watched The Sopranos?

I didn't, although I know it has the same writer or producer or something as Mad Men.

I might watch it, if my to-watch-TV list wasn't already a mile long!

[Typhlosionisafirebadger]

@Typhlosionisafirebadger; Hey, you're back! We can talk more about Mad Men!

The episode I watched last night ("Maidenform") was pretty good, and it was kind of interesting how they started with the three main female characters getting ready and playing The Decemberists' "The Infanta." Because they usually stick to period music on that show. Not that I disliked it, it was just interesting and gave the entire episode an interesting light.

Hey! thanks for the greeting!

I highlighted this part of your post because it's a really good catch and while I wasn't sure what song it was, I knew it was something different. It's always fun to see different perspectives or starts to the episodes

I think my fav part was peggy trying to join in on the meeting, poor poor peggy :(

Duck really shouldn't have tried to mess with Don though, that's like asking for trouble at sterling-cooper. dude is the golden goose

[Fab]

Anyone here watched The Sopranos?

I didn't, although I know it has the same writer or producer or something as Mad Men.

I might watch it, if my to-watch-TV list wasn't already a mile long!

You absolutely must, I've watched the whole series once, with the first three seasons seen twice. Such a well written series, great characters, fantastic story arcs, I love it!

[Faye Valentine]

What was really interesting about that "Infanta" sequence was how much of a call-back it was to the season opener where they're all getting ready to Chubby Checker's "Let's Twist Again" (which was a period song).

I think my fav part was peggy trying to join in on the meeting, poor poor peggy :(

It really shows how out-of-her-element she is because so much of the office culture is built around them all being men. Her sitting on the guy's lap was the most awkward thing ever. I've never done anything quite like that (because, you know, I have standards, like Peggy does later in the series), but I know what it's like to be the lone girl in a world that seems like it was made for men, and having other fairly awkward moments like that. (I'm a composer and the world of classical music composition is very male-dominated; in undergrad, I was the only female undergraduate in my major for my first two years.)

It's interesting that she's fighting so hard for that account though when one of her later pet peeves is always being put on the girly accounts like make-up or personal care or bras.

Duck really shouldn't have tried to mess with Don though, that's like asking for trouble at sterling-cooper. dude is the golden goose

Duck is such a skeeze. Possibly an even bigger skeeze than Pete. The thing where he abandons his dog was like - WHAT? Now I can never ever like this character!

[Typhlosionisafirebadger]

What was really interesting about that "Infanta" sequence was how much of a call-back it was to the season opener where they're all getting ready to Chubby Checker's "Let's Twist Again" (which was a period song).

I think my fav part was peggy trying to join in on the meeting, poor poor peggy :(

It really shows how out-of-her-element she is because so much of the office culture is built around them all being men. Her sitting on the guy's lap was the most awkward thing ever. I've never done anything quite like that (because, you know, I have standards, like Peggy does later in the series), but I know what it's like to be the lone girl in a world that seems like it was made for men, and having other fairly awkward moments like that. (I'm a composer and the world of classical music composition is very male-dominated; in undergrad, I was the only female undergraduate in my major for my first two years.)

Duck really shouldn't have tried to mess with Don though, that's like asking for trouble at sterling-cooper. dude is the golden goose

Duck is such a skeeze. Possibly an even bigger skeeze than Pete. The thing where he abandons his dog was like - WHAT? Now I can never ever like this character!

Yeah I kind of cringed and shook my head at that part, and it was satisfying to see Peggy's growth like after this episode, instead of her just moving in a downward spiral to crash and burn out of her profession. I think she fought for THAT account because it was one of her first major ones, and once she's gotten a few under her notch (even if they're all feminine products) she'd want to branch out more and get accounts that her peers at the office get, and this leads Don to respect her hustle as he sees that Peggy is a go-getter. Awkward as it was, it took some guts for her to join in and stay though, all things considered

You're a composer? No wonder you knew so much about the music in the show and all that, so naturally you can empathize with Peggy pretty well. yeah Duck is a mega skeezoid, while Pete is kind of your average jerk IMO. I knew a guy like Pete and he use to compete with me over stuff (but I didn't realize we were competing) so I found the whole Ken/Pete thing a bit familiar because of it.

[Faye Valentine]

@Typhlosionisafirebadger; Well actually, I'm a classical music composer, so my knowledge of '60s popular music is more of a separate interest (though, it's something I'm focusing a lot on as a musicologist).

I think every smart, ambitious woman, even in fields that aren't necessarily dominated by men, has been able to relate to Peggy (or Joan, later on, or Megan in season 5) at some point. The idea of being a woman making it in a still largely patriarchal world is something that resonates with all of us.

The funny thing is that, whenever they have a lady-centric account, it's obvious just how much they really need her expertise, because the guys are all clueless about it. Like one of the dudes, I think it was Duck?, had a really stupid pitch for the Playtex account that was like "I fell asleep in a bra and thought I was...so-and-so" which is so silly, because for starters, women usually don't sleep in our bras unless it's lingerie and it's intentional. Or we, like, fall asleep in public or something.

The funnier thing is I think Playtex still has that "practicality" association with their bras. At least, I've never heard of anybody buying Playtex bras because they want to look sexy. There are the ones you buy to fit well and the ones you buy to tease - the Jackie and the Marilyn sides, as the ad campaign shows.

That whole conversation between Pete and Duck about the dogs is probably a way to illustrate their characters the way you mentioned, that Pete's just a run-of-the-mill obnoxious prick but Duck's a major-level skeeze/asshole. There's a reason that the relevant TV Tropes page is called "Kick the Dog"; being mean to animals is usually code in TV for "DO NOT TRUST THIS PERSON."

[Typhlosionisafirebadger]

ahh okay, i'm still impressed you knew what song it was regardless. Yeah successful women still have issues with perception due to just that, their success.

Yes! i remember that moment and it WAS Duck! You had to wonder about the guy after that moment like, how do you even let that come out of your mouth and feel serious about it? Cause like you said, Duck should know that as a grown ass man. Peggy has a niche but I'm glad she gets to branch out later on in the series.

I can kind of pity Pete, but Duck I just say "oh buck this dude" because of that moment and other incidents (srsly bro? sleeping in the bras?) while Pete, you see in the house party where Don like fixes his sink that he feels like he's in the dude's shadow and it grates on him, along with how no one at the office really respects the guy. You can kind of see all of his prick moves as macho posturing