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    Default Re: The Bulbagarden Conversational Chat Thread Vol 4

    Does the EU porn ban thing actually have a chance at going through?

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    Sounds impossible to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by porkchopsandwiches View Post
    Sounds impossible to me.
    It's banned in Korea. Not that that really stops people from making it or watching it.
    That's nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xita View Post
    Does the EU porn ban thing actually have a chance at going through?
    I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

    For one, they're going after porn on the Internet, and that seems pretty impossible to regulate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by porkchopsandwiches View Post
    Sounds impossible to me.
    This is what I figured, which is why I didn't think much of it.

    @GoodbyeBlueMonday: Going after porn on the internet? What a fool's errand.

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    Whatever, any opportunity I have to bitch about radfems and their shitty arguments and how they make all of feminism look bad, I'm going to take it. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    Whatever, any opportunity I have to bitch about radfems and their shitty arguments and how they make all of feminism look bad, I'm going to take it. Lol.
    Every group will always have a radical subgroup to make them look bad.
    That's nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMissingno. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbye Blue Monday View Post
    Whatever, any opportunity I have to bitch about radfems and their shitty arguments and how they make all of feminism look bad, I'm going to take it. Lol.
    Every group will always have a radical subgroup to make them look bad.
    True, but their arguments are still far too common in feminist circles to be completely dismissed as just a "radical fringe." They're part of the reason that a lot of supposedly queer-friendly spaces are unfriendly to trans women, for instance, because a lot of radfems are transphobic and think trans women are men who want to "infiltrate women's spaces."

    What's particularly obnoxious, as one of the comments on that article illuminates, is that sex-positive feminists like me are encouraged to know what radfems believe about sex to know "the history of our movement," but radfems rarely take any time to figure out what sex-positive feminists think because they don't think we're "real feminists." They dismiss us as only "protecting" porn and prostitution because we care more about orgasms than we do about abuse and violence against women, which is bullshit. We just realizing that banning everything doesn't actually protect women.

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    Even pacifists have radicals, yo.

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    I'm not an expert on feminism so I can't really comment.

    I'm not even sure what "sex positive" means. From context I think it means you are okay with having sex, but it could also mean you're okay with transgender individuals, or you are biologically female.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Pschitt View Post
    Even pacifists have radicals, yo.
    It's true. People who are willing to kill in order to avoid people getting killed.
    That's nice.

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    To be fair, I do think radical feminist arguments re: prostitution are slightly more legitimate because I do get annoyed at hearing some tiny minority of women who chose to become professional dommes or whatever used to argue that sex work can be "empowering," when the vast majority of prostitutes worldwide were either illegally trafficked or forced into it out of economic necessity, and most can't demand anything of their clients re: using protection and stuff like that. But I still disagree with them that prostitution being illegal is the solution to all that. I think making it legal and regulated would allow prostitutes to have more power to enforce certain things on their clients, and to report abuse at the hands of clients or pimps.

    The problem is they try to apply those same arguments to porn, and it doesn't work at all. Porn is a legal, regulated industry with its own strict standards about who can get into it. People who sign up to appear in that porn are consenting adults. Of course, there's a lot of amateur stuff on the Internet where there might be more questionable ideas about consent, but then, why not just regulate that particular kind of porn for violating other laws against sex trafficking or rape, rather than try to ban the whole industry?

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    I'm not an expert on feminism so I can't really comment.

    I'm not even sure what "sex positive" means. From context I think it means you are okay with having sex, but it could also mean you're okay with transgender individuals, or you are biologically female.
    Well I'm specifically talking within feminism, where it's the subset of feminism that came around in the 1990s and is probably most common today, that believes that sexual freedom is essential to women's equality. In terms of individual ideals it means you don't think things like porn or prostitution etc. are inherently anti-feminist, or you don't think banning them is the solution. And it means that you are pro-transgender, usually.

    Basically it just means that you reject radical feminist ideas about sex. Here's the Wikipedia article if it makes things less confusing.

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    @Goodbye Blue Monday; If you think about it, there's really not much difference between porn and prostitution. In both cases people are getting paid to have sex, but it's somehow more legally acceptable when there happens to be a camera running.
    That's nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMissingno. View Post
    @Goodbye Blue Monday; If you think about it, there's really not much difference between porn and prostitution. In both cases people are getting paid to have sex, but it's somehow more legally acceptable when there happens to be a camera running.
    There is in the sense of how it's often practiced, though. That's what I mean about how radfem arguments are more applicable to one than the other.

    The fact that prostitution is mostly illegal in much of the Western industrialized world, whereas porn is not, means that the latter is able to have its own industry with standards that make sure that the people involved are consenting. The former, not so much.

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    Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I don't go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
    illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mariowie View Post
    Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I do go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
    illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.
    You guys also have legal marijuana. The Netherlands basically has the sensible approach to all these things it seems.

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