1st February 2014, 09:59 AM #16
Call me Robert guys
Re: Brock/Takeshi as a companion
Trust me I know all of this stuff, you don't have to tell me. My point was that the writers never really put much effort into Brock and more often then not, shoved him into the background. Yes I know he was a supporting character but so was May and you can see the clear effort they put into her character. They never tried to improve Brock is what I'm saying. With Ash, you could see clear growth(until BW at least), with May, you could see clear growth. With Brock though, he never really grew or changed, he was just there and had the same exact role the entire run.
Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132
This was quite clear to almost everybody which is why by the time Sinnoh came a long, people were sick of him already. When Sinnoh started, I remember feeling excited for Brock since he was actually treated fairly well in early Sinnoh. But that was it, after that it was like poof, where'd Brock go?? Why isn't Brock getting any focus or plots??
This is why I say the writers gave up on him. Because they never gave it their all with him in the first place and then just stopped all together in DP.
1st February 2014, 12:54 PM #17
pokemon fan 132
Re: Brock/Takeshi as a companion
Not denying that because it left sour taste in my mouth as well, though to be fair its always been like that with female and male traveling companions unfortunately. In all three series Brock was present main girl always got most focus after Ash with writers putting more effort, screen time and character development than it was case with males changing notably as persons. Same applied to BW with Iris still overall getting more growth and change than Cilan in reality did who remained mostly same through whole series. Painting out picture of female companions serving purpose of going through character development, serve as emotional link with who fans could get attached to character wanting to see them succeed. Who will work toward dreams and go through struggles.
Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan
While with male protagonists like Brock it always seemed to me like they were never intended from writers side to change much as persons or get a lot of attention toward their dreams diving deeper in whole thing. I mean same thing happened with Cilan with his connoisseur career not being nearly as focused like Iris master quest. May and Dawn goes without saying getting big contest arcs, while Misty despite back than in OS fomula being more geared toward adventure aspect and exploration of human relationship rather than working tieward dreams, training etc. Still got Whirl Islands, episodes dealing with water type and battling trainers, conflict with sisters or her fears etc.
Much to my dismay Brock, but every other male sidekick which accompanied Ash mostly served purpose of older parental figure in cast which brings order ,settle down conflicts, takes care of Ash and co while providing humor, entertainment value and good dynamic within cast. Sometimes they receive growth and they get focus to be involved within episode plots exploring on their interests, but it seems to me how writers never intended for older male characters to be developed much.
Putting Brock in position he stayed within for majority of series.
Though i still think he gained more than lost from longer stay not bothering me that he was Ash commrade and partner through Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh firming unbreakable and visibly strong friendship between themselves feeling like brothers.
Feeling like all those adventures, experience built over meeting new people and places made Brock learn, evolve and start appreciating certain things much more as person. At least in my opinion. I mean in Kanto i recall him being in general more colder and closed up as person not expressing same level of emotion and attachment toward his friends. Developing higher level of care, understanding and feelings clicking of great with Misty when talking about love and Ash reckless behavior, or doing private talks wiuth Ash in how to prepare strategy for league, tournaments etc even starting to cry at end of Johto. Same applied to Hoenn serving as some sort of role model to Max to who he could look up to admiring his immense wisdom and education, made company to May encouraging to keep trying in contest comforting her and Ash after loses and warning about potential dangers. I remembered another especially endearing moment happened when he prepared costumes for Dawn and Ash for Hearthome performance or teaching her first aid in how to heal Pachirisu. Its like Brock in emotional, personality sense became more compassionate as person,open and tolerant which showed best in better relationship with family(especially younger brother).
So that much i liked about Brock treatment with subtle and on first glance small changes starting to come on surface over time, revealing that his character grew to extent over time.
Though it always bothered me how little emphasis Brock breeding career received. Because it was unique and completely innovative way of working with your pokemon as team and raising them to grow in healthy, powerful creatures. Most of time his learning and improvement as breeder was comprised of consulting with various healers and other breeders he met on travels by learning how to prepare potions, all kinds of food and medicines, exchanging advices and applying his knowledge in various situations when pokemon was injured, poisoned etc. Ending recognized by various other doctors along the road.
But that sadly never amounted or leaded toward something bigger which was i suppose main reason behind people disappointment.
Though when taken in account what true essence of breeding involves we can safely come to conclusion how such concept would be too controversial to involve in children TV show. Another factor which probably played big role in how much screen time Brock dream is going to receive was activity and whole theme going behind what breeder job entails as whole. Being mainly along the lines of preparing food and potions, grooming pokemon and doing excercise to raise them in best physical shape. And quite frankly if you don't train, battle or enter competitions there's not much you can do with such career.
Granted they could probably come up with some contests for breeders but target audience mostly watch this show for battles and action, so i presume writers probably felt how kids wouldn't be interested in events which revolve on determining pokemon beauty and shape.
Still despite wishing to be done more, Brock as character for role he performed and given limitations of his breeding career was handled decent having several even stellar moments in majority of series he got present in my opinion.