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Only comparing up to the first 50 or so episodes of each (DP Tag Battle/Nimbasa gym battle)
Black and White, by a mile.
Cilan and new Team Rocket are way better than Brock and DP TR.
The writing's a lot better, food puns aside (cause those were in the Japanese version too)
And the personalities on the Pokémon are a bit more solid (Emolga and Snivy are my favorites)
Considering DP is my all time favorite saga...
BW has its moments, but the writers have seriously screwed themselves over with many aspects of it. I've gone over this more than once, so I won't bore anyone by outlining the cons it has again. Just browse my posts if you want to know details.
Even when comparing only the first 52 episodes of each series, I still much prefer DP.
I'm going to go with DP as well. While it might be unfair to compare the two series, especially when BW has only been going for about a year, I still prefer DP. The battles were battle, the rivals were much better and the pacing was pretty much great for me. Despite the negative reactions to the DP trio as a whole, I thought that they were fine. I can see why people thought that the chemistry was boring, but it was never bad enough for me. It could have been better, but it was generally fine for me. While I do enjoy some parts of BW, I agree that the writers have made a lot of mistakes with the pacing, Ash capturing far too many Pokemon than he honestly should at this point of the series, Iris' character in general is ruined possibly beyond repairs, the rivalry with Trip is boring and the Gym battles leave a lot to be desired. I could see it improving later on and hopefully bringing in Team Plasma and N at some point will help with that, but at the moment, I don't think that BW will top the DP series.
I prefer DP, and its odd because I have no bias toward Dawn, Brock or Iris and Cilan. I like the BW trio better than the DP trio, so it has nothing to do with the characters.
DP was simply written better. The plotlines were outlined better and there was a LOT going on in DP's first 52 or so episodes. Out of those initial 52 episodes only about 10 of the were filler, and the other 42 set up what would come for the rest of the arc.
Thank You! Dp had an actual STORY! It wasn't all over the place in such a bad way like BW is. It's actually sad how we have BW right after DP, shouldn't it be the other way around really? I often find myself rewatching DP just to medicate from the sickness that BW is bringing.Quote:
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Paul, Ursula, Jessalina, Conway, and Barry were the best parts rival wise that beats out BW. Infernape alone beats out every Pokemon that Ash has on his current team. Yes, while the monkey got extremely tiresome at times, it wasn't grating enough to make me hate it, and I like Gliscor and Gible too. Like, hello, Ash's first dragon ever.
There were some funny parts in DP. I actually found Jessalina to be very funny, as well as Paul just being Paul, because we NEVER had anyone like him on the show.
Also, some of the contest battles and gym battles were very nicely written. Can't say all, but I will say most. Seeing some of Ash's old Pokemon, Pikachu having an epic moment with Latios was nice, and also seeing May and the Wallace Cup arc.
I mean, BW has yet to really give me a full list, but DP's is timeless and classic! I won't give up on BW though, I want to see how this shitastrophe at least plays out.
The only really bad things about DP was Ambipom being released (easily the worst thing of the entire saga), the dullness of the Contest rivals like Zoey and Kenny, and the rushed Sinnoh league with no Elite 4 arc.
The way the Sinnoh league played out almost ruined DP for me. Not only did some of Ash's older pokemon come back for no reason, like Muk and Glalie who didn't even get a battle, but all that Elite 4 foreshadowing went down the drain.
Well BW's not over, but I guess I would say that DP's first year easily trumps BW's. There was a story there, way more character development and structure, and hell I'd say early DP had plenty of comedy as well. It was only around the halfway point it kinda dragged on and wasn't as funny. BW has comedy...but that's really it. Until we see the Plasma episode we have no idea what Rocket or Plasma is doing at all.
Judging DP by its first year only and BW only by the current English dub episodes, (I only watch them) DP wins easily.
DP had an Ash who knew what he was doing and wasn't reset to a beginner for no reason and had a much better and more believable rivalry with Paul, a far more interesting character than Trip. None of the main group were annoying, unlike Iris who is my least favourite character in the entire series. Almost all of the main groups' Pokemon had personality and great quirks rather than vice versa (Brock's Happiny's colossal strength, anyone? Much better ironic humour than Iris' crap) and Team Rocket still had their human sides. I doubt the current TR are ever going to have episodes like James giving Cacnea to Gardenia or Jessie releasing Dustox.
That's a common misconception. For example, did you know that the trio blasted off in only 16 of the 34 episodes that made up the DP Sinnoh League Victors season? That's less than half! And while most seasons weren't as good about that sort of thing as Season 13 was, saying that they "all ended with Team Rocket blasting off" is a gross exaggeration.Quote:
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To supplement that, Team Rocket didn't burst in inappopriately in every single episode to challenge Ash & co. For plot-heavy episodes, especially those that involved Paul, they often had TR eavesdropping and commenting instead of doing what they usually do, which is actually a nice change of pace. As if they somehow realized their intrusion would totally fuck up this particular episode's flow, and decided to hold back until another time.
There were also episodes establishing TR not even being near Ash and the others, primarily where Jessie was winning her ribbons.
Bw is overall much more interesting than DP.
The writers are still trying new things and many do not agree with the direction BW is taking but it is very interesting to watch the show wander around and try to find a unique style. In DP there was a sense of surprise and I think that is what hooked many of the viewers but DP major flaw was that it DID get very boring at points in its run. While BW is not nonstop thrills it has a more comedic atmosphere that wants to keep you entertained. The jokes get old for some but is nice to see that the writers care if the audience is having fun with the show.
In fact, If I had to compare the feel BW gives off I would say it is actually closer AG in that they want to keep the older crowd but still cross over into something new.
I guess in DP people just finally got tired of Brock and Team Rocket's antics, which is why they found them stale. I think that's the only aspect that truly made BW feel fresh, at least at the start. Team Rocket no longer appear in every episode and are no longer comic relief, and Brock is gone.
After 13 years of seeing TR and Brock go through the same repetitive gags, its not surprising people got tired of it.
From what I've seen, DP is far superior to BW. In DP, it was clear that the events in the original series and AG had actually occured, unlike in BW, where Ash's character has been reset and very little, if any, references to the past are made. In addition, Ash's female travelling companion and rival in DP weren't obnoxious and boring, respecively. In fact, Dawn is one of my favorite characters in the entire series.
Picking BW over DP is like picking a brush to do my nappy hair over a comb. DP had far better dailog, rivals, Pokemon development and so forth. Shouldn't this be more of a Kanto or BW poll? I can't vote of BW over DP right now.
DP had Paul, Barry, and the E4
BW had Iris, Cilan/Cress/Chili, Bergundy, Bianca, Georgia, E4, a black gymleader who has her husband nicknaming her "Mama", no Brock, and ALMOST no TR, and many more
did I miss anything??