I really think Trip is Ash's wrost rival in the way I see it.
I really think Trip is Ash's wrost rival in the way I see it.
Last edited by Iteru; 17th July 2012 at 12:24 PM.
Well, it depends how you look at it.
If you look at how they've battled Ash, then Burgundy's the worst, having only ever been thrashed by Ash. Stephan and Bianca have had some decent battles with him, and he's never actually won against Trip and scraped a win against Georgia.
If you look at their skill in general and look at their battle records, it looks something like this:
Stephan: 5W 2L
Georgia: 3W 2L 1D
Trip: 2W 3L 1D
Bianca: 2W 4L 1 Unresolved.
Burgundy: 0W 3L 0D
I don't think that that's entirely representative of their skills though. Here's my opinion:
1. Trip: He is Ash's main rival still, and makes good strategies. His main losses are in the two tournaments where he was pitched against very strong opponents: Cilan's invincible (then) Dwebble, and Bianca's Embroar, who made it to the semi-finals in Donamite. He beat Ash in a 5 v 5 with two Pokémon unshown and his Servine beat Pikachu despite being new.
2. Bianca: Even though she wasn't very good at the start of the series, Bianca has improved massively and has a strong team. She was able to beat Trip and Georgia, both of whom are very talented with their Pokémon, and actually employs good strategies. Her Emboar and Escavalier are beasts and could both become powerhouses.
3. Stephan: It was a tough choice between him and Bianca, but his lack of Pokémon eventually swayed it for me. His Zebstrika has barely been shown and, despite his Sawk being amazing, we haven't seen enough of his other Pokémon for me to be entirely convinced.
4. Georgia: Georgia has a very strong team, but she doesn't employ much strategy, and just tries to overpower everything. Given that in her three victories, she either crushed the opponent (literally) had a type advantage or a disobedient opponent, I can't consider her a threat once Ash brings out a Fire or Fighting type.
5. Burgundy: What can I say? She hasn't won a battle despite type advantages, and is a C-class conesieur (or however you spell it). Unless she wins something I can see her being sidelined quickly.
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For starters, Cabernet and Langley aren't really Ash's rivals. They've battled him, but they're Cilan and Iris' (respectively) rivals.
And it's totally Trip for sure!
Last edited by SammyW27; 23rd December 2013 at 08:05 PM.
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They're all weaker than Ash battle wise, even Trip.
It's why Ash better damn well win the league this time, all his rivalries are beneath him for once.
I think that bianca has the better charter devoploment and Spehan has a better rivaly then Trip had.
Is Stephan that fat guy with the Serperior? If so, him.
sawk and zebstika.
I would say stephan. He hasn't changed much since his appearance and we only know of two of his pokemon. Trip and Bianca have been developed, if only a little. They also have had more pokemon shown than stephan
Personality-wise: Trip, he's just so boring! Skill-wise: I don't know, probably Bianca. The writers kind of failed at making any of them look strong enough to defeat Ash. I really hope the new rival is stronger and more interesting.
I agree with Callisto, Trip is way too boring.
Maybe I should lower my standards, I'm expecting someone as awesome as Shinji XD
As for the topic, Trip - in every way, for reasons already stated.
Last edited by Trainer Gabriel; 17th July 2012 at 06:04 PM.
This is a Contest thread as you're choosing between people, so I've added a poll and moved it to the Grand Festival. Reasons now have to be given for choices.
Truth is, they're all uninspiring as rivals. Trip is basically Gary Oak on Valium most of the time. (And what's with all the "boonies" crap, anyway?) Bianca may be sweet and likeable overall, but she's too ditzy and hyper to be taken seriously as a rival. She might've been a decent supporting character, and probably would've been if Cheren had made it into the anime. Stephan has the strength, but TPTB spend too much time playing up the mispronounced name, and that doesn't help his character development. As I recall, they started doing something like that with Cassidy and Bob when...no, wait, was it Bill?...oh, right, Butch!...when the two were being demoted from semi-credible villains to recurring comic relief.
And since Burgundy and Georgia were brought up, lemme just say that I find them both extremely petty. This just hasn't been a good season for rivalries.
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You think The Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive.
You've ever smuggled food out of an all-you-can-eat buffet.
The original color of your carpet is an unsolved mystery.
You've had more court dates than second dates.
The closest you've come to royalty is eating at Burger King.
You've ever stared at a carton of orange juice because it said "concentrate."
You think a quarterhorse is that ride in front of K-Mart.
Bianca, because she acts too ditzy unless something big is on the line.
She also needs to become Professor Juniper's assistant. She is so weak, this is the only fitting fate, to be trapped in Unova and never show up beyond its borders.
We need a competent female rival for Ash...no more Dumb Blondes/Barry Expys!
Stephan is the most interesting rival , even with his overused gag(Which I think will cost him his match with Ash at the league), because he is competent, yet screwy enough to be the REAL comedic rival.
Trip needs to beat someone else other than Ash in order to look credible(WIN JUNIOR CUP!), but at least he's not an sexist stereotype, like Bianca.
This is no contest; the honor of being the worst goes to Trip.
Not only is he the worst of Ash's Unova rivals, but I'd argue he's among the worst of Ash's rivals period. That includes his League-exclusive rivals. I think only the likes of Casey, Tobias, and MAYBE Ritchie are worse than Trip. Everyone else is better by a mile.
Let's just face it; he does not have anything going for him. His level of progression makes no sense because he's a fucking newbie. Imagine how awful the Pokemon series would've been if Ash defeated a trainer vastly more experienced than him in his very first trainer battle. How cheap it would be if Ash had a full team of six Pokemon (possibly more) within 10 episodes, with all of them well-trained, having nary a problem with their newb of a trainer and no initial personality clashes, in addition to at least half the team having evolved once already (Pidgeotto doesn't count since Ash caught it in that form, and the Caterpie line is supposed to evolve quickly)? It's no less cheap or lazy for this to happen with Trip.
Trip made an awful first impression as a huge-ass Gary Stu (which only mellowed out once Trip started losing tournaments), as well as visually showing us that the staff did not put more than 5 minutes into designing his character; they just color-reversed Paul and made small adjustments from there and huzzah, brand new character. It doesn't help that the first bits of info we got on Trip before BW aired (from the people who work directly with the show itself, no less!) was that he was literally called the "Shinji-like rival". He isn't exactly like Paul, of course, but it's easy to see why people would use such words to describe their first impression of him. First impressions are very important; that Trip made a very bad first impression (as well as a bad second impression later on) still reflects poorly on him today.
Most importantly, there's really nothing to Trip. They gave him a camera gimmick, but it's very forgettable, bland, and was relevant all of one time in this series so far. He has a catchphrase, but it's a boring and stupid catchphrase that Trip often contradicts anyway, so it's pointless. The only remotely unique thing about Trip is that he's a xenophobe, as he calls Ash a hick pretty much every time they meet, but that too is dull and can't even be used to its full potential because Trip knows nothing of the world outside of his own region, so he's the one who comes off as an ignorant jackass every time he claims Kanto is the boonies. They tried to implement something with him involving Alder, but it's honestly nothing special. Trip is just one kid of several who got to meet Alder and become inspired by him to become a strong trainer and one day battle and defeat him. It would've been fun if they sort of acknowledged that Trip is an idiot with his head stuck up his ass for expecting Alder to honestly remember him for all the five minutes they spent together years ago, but nope, that too was passed up on. And rather than being persistently bitter over the whole thing, they just have Trip walk away from him mid-episode. They do nothing interesting at all with Trip finally losing battles, either. You'd think arrogant newbies would be a bit more torn up/bitter after losing, ESPECIALLY to people they underestimated like a fool (Bianca; again, that contradicts his whole "basics" thing), but nope, he just brushes it off as if nothing happened and leaves immediately afterwards. Nothing comes of it, nothing is foreshadowed, nothing is built up on, which is why it will be so very underwhelming if Trip actually wins the upcoming tournament. They've just done NOTHING interesting with his character at all, and Trip barely has anything unique to call his own. His personality is some odd-ass mix of Paul, Gary, and Drew's, his camera gimmick is just Todd Snap 2.0... only new thing he really brought was the xenophobia.
Worst of all, Ash's motivation to battle Trip does not differ from any CotD trainer he's fought in the entire series. With Gary there was a childhood backstory to go by that set him apart from other trainers, and with Paul there was a clash of philosophies of their opposing training methods that was represented by Chimchar, who was trained by both of them. And Paul served as a consistent inspiration for Ash to keep pushing himself throughout the series, taking his training seriously. With Trip, Ash has nothing to prove to him. Because Trip got DEM victories against Ash already and has yet to lose to him, Trip has nothing to prove to Ash, either. Trip's already realized Alder is not the perfect idol he once believed to be, so I don't see what Trip is supposed to get out of being defeated by the Champion, considering he got jack and shit out of being defeated by Cilan and Bianca. Defeat apparently does not faze this newb, so what's the point? What's the point of Ash defeating Trip in the League, for that matter? With Gary and Paul there were strong, developed storylines backing these inevitable victories so that they actually meant something; Ash clearly gained something significant by defeating them. What will Ash defeating Trip mean? That... Kanto is not the boonies? Woo? Only way Ash will probably convince Trip of that is if he uses his Kanto team against his xenophobic rival, and really... there's an easier way of proving Trip wrong here: by actually sending the little snot to Kanto and see how well he fares in a region that isn't his home turf.
So that's my lengthy mumbo-jumbo on why Trip is the worst rival. Bianca may suffer some issues in terms of being a credible threat, but Donamite especially seems to be fixing that problem, and I'm hoping by the League that Bianca is shown to be a real force to be reckoned with
proven when she eventually wins the Unova League :D. Otherwise, Bianca is fine. She does possess some similarities to Barry, both in behavior and design, but Bianca is a distinct enough character in her own right for that not to be a problem, and her design can't be helped because, well, she's a game character. :P
Stephan's probably my second-least favorite rival of the Unova bunch, but the only thing about him that bugs me is that stupid running gag about his name. If that weren't plaguing him I'd like him a lot better. Even without it, though, Bianca, Burgundy, Georgia, and even Luke (who I don't think counts as a rival anymore) are more interesting characters than him in pretty much every way. Donamite did wonders for his credibility, though, and it's nice that they do put at least some effort into how hard he trains with Sawk that makes him a believable threat. He obviously takes his training very seriously and he's got a good attitude, so I'm okay with him. Especially compared to Trip. :P