Togepi was the only baby Pokemon an Ad for GSC.Which isn't that much surprising since back in early days writers policy about baby pokemon was different treating them as harmless and fragile little creatures which aren't capable of battling(something which didn't start to change until end of Johto). When taking in account Togepi joyous nature, it made even less of surprise why it never battled much with one of ways for it to evolve being through happiness. Togepi was in reality first egg pokemon which main cast received, with writers treating it as very rare specie being exclusive for Misty making big deal out of it.
[I think you're grasping for straws, all of that stuff you listed is the same thing tons of other Pokemon have done. It just reminds me how little Misty's Pokemon did.I don't really think it is simply offering honest POV. We can see through pulling raft when they escaped from Gyarados, when he tried to get group to north pole, being involved in rescue missions such as pulling group out of sunk ship st. Anne, saving gym leader daughter Mary, destroying TR mechas etc how this pokemon possessed high level of durability and speed.
Golduck beat Starmie with one Ice Beam, Tentacruel beat Goldeen with one Poison Sting, Staryu beat Tentacruel with one Swift, Psyduck beat Staryu with one Water Gun rebounded Confusion. The whole battle was a rushed one-hit KO fest.Only battle which got ended with one hit was Staryu vs Tentacruel and Marina Psyduck. Even so if pokemon is powerful enough to defeat someone with single hit i don't see how this in any way demean his value and true strength. On contrair it only shows how strong and well trained he is. Should we than says how every battle Ash, May, Dawn , Iris etc won with single hit should be disregard, just because writers didn't dragged with match longer than it was needed to please our expectations?
It wasn't a formal battle and this was one of those "TR can't battle to save their lives!" battles rather than actual one where they seem to have a chance.Regarding James if we are going to count Ash win over James in pokeringer, or Dawn/May vs Jessie as some kind of achievement, than i don't see why Misty should be exception. Battle between James and Misty for salveyo weed was perfectly legit being required skill and speed to not only clear out smoke screen but send Weezing flying away out of range.
Staryu most likely got wrecked off screen.-Regarding mirage pokemon to be fair we can't know for sure , because way battle was interrupted certainly didn't made it seem like Staryu was losing. Not only it break out of whirlpool, bubble beam combo with ease but it was with rapid spin equal in strength with Molly Mantine which was 2x stronger than normal one would be.
Misty's Pokemon were all battered just as easily as Brock's.
I'm mostly neutral to every character and I never thought Brock was an overly exceptional trainer in wins, however I did think he was pretty strong at times. Croagunk did do heavy damage to Torterra on its own and beat Saturn's Toxicroak, who are both two very strong Pokemon.Its quite funny, some people like to claim how Brock was on of strongest trainers traveling with Ash because of his past as gym leader, yet in here Misty clearly showed how she surpassed him in skills being past gym leader as well(which of course people disregard as nothing positive).
Talking about double standards.
Politoed has never been in a formal battle.Doesn't matter, this right there proves how Politoad entered some battles after evolution. And battle against brothers was honestly legit being three on three when Ash and Brock joined, with Misty accepting their challenge in first place.
Okay, wait, you're "Championing" Misty's Gyarados but talking down to Wake's as if it's a punk? Dragon Rage and Bite were the only moves we saw in its arsenal and of course Gyarados went down to one Volt Tackle, it's Pikachu and Gyarados in this show have always been portrayed as glass cannons. We never even saw Misty's in a formal battle, yet you can saw it's better based on its moveset?Wake Gyarados was pretty underwhelming to be honest. It was enough about just single volt tackle from Pikachu to knock him down with his move set combined of dragon rage and bite being rather flimsy compared to balanced and versatile choice of attacks Misty's in comparison has whether its protect and whirlpool for defense, or hyperbeam, hydropump or flamethrower for offensive purposes.
Those Tentacruel and trainers were weak, I seriously don't see how anyone can argue otherwise. Yes, it's a fact Gyarados did beat three Tentacruel. I guess it would also be impressive if Politoed beat five Magikarp? And Horsea beat three Caterpie? See how that works?Also your making assumptions without proof to back things up. What we know from facts is how three brothers battled Misty with three Tentacruel, how Gyarados was able to repel all their moves and send them in stratosphere by slicing through hydropump with hyper beam. That's a fact.
Are you serious? They were pretty much walking Team Rocket reduxes, they were clowns, and they were pretty weak.Everything else is presumption without proof to back things up, since due to insufficient amount of information we don't know how strong those three trainers were.
If May or Ash had known about Wonder Guard Taillow or Torchic would have sent Shedinja into orbit a long time ago, Misty just so happened to have Gyarados use Flamethrower.Speaking of colonel Hanson and his Shedinja, just because pokemon in question has low HP doesn't say anything about Hanson skills as trainer. Fact that no one else beside Misty and Gyarados could get over wonder guard being only trainer which figured how to knock it down was only indication of her competence and adaptability as trainer.
With your statement your trying to imply how Shedinja in general is "pathetic pokemon", and how any achievement Misty pokemon made should be discarded as result of such. Something i can't really agree with.
The point being that Starmie wins against a Weepinbell and Oddish, neither of which even attacks, but gets beaten by Graveler and Pidgeotto. Giselle might have been the best trainer but Pikachu, a less experienced Pokemon than Starmie, managed to prevail against Cubone a few minutes later.It got smashed by best student from school Giselle, and only because no one expected that Graveler was trained in such way that it could break through water gun with roll attack. That's not something to scoff at.
Speaking of other pokemon, they were grass types with water attacks in general not being very effective against them unless pokemon which use them in particular is very strong.
Additionally as expected writers just started out in beginning of Kanto saga with battles being much less detailed and complex compared to today standards. But just because we experienced lower quality of battles doesn't make pokemon which participated in it weak.
Horsea never battled in a formal battle.That's beside the point. You claimed how Horsea never battled, which isn't true.
The writers are not gonna have a good guy lose a villain in such a grave situation. Unless we're talking about Contest or competitions, that's it.You mean JJM trio loses to everyone? Butch and Cassidy are harder nut to crack showing higher level of skill in battles than Jessie and James did.
Speaking of which disregarding every opponent Misty faced viewing it as "weak" doesn't translate to person in question being weak trainer.
Misty's had more room to grow because they were all more or less largely undeveloped. May's just came off as better trained and developed Pokemon, a lot of them evolved too and that doesn't mean they've shown everything they've got. Even then everything they've shown has been more impressive to me than everything Misty's ever did.If we are going to compare Misty ad May team, honestly former definitely had more room to grow and potential to turn them in real powerhouses. As opposite to May with who most of her pokemon more or less showed everything they got.
Well, Starmie could learn an Electric move, Horsea could become a Kingdra, Psyduck could control its Psychic talents. Wartortle could also be a Blastoise, Blaziken also could have learned Blast Burn, see how that works?From Starmie which is highly flexible having access to various techniques like ice, electric, psychic etc attacks. Horsea which could evolve all the way to Kingdra with half dragon characteristics adding more diversity to pokemon team. Or Psyduck which hides enormous psychic strength in himself waiting to be awakened.
Psyduck gets recognized as a somewhat strong Pokemon by COTDs? Just like Axew, Pignite, Pikachu, etc. see how that works?Judging by battle against Harley Octillery Munclax wasn't something special to write home about imo. If anything it often relied on luck and what may come of from metronome. Psyduck on other hand was recognized by several trainers showing to possess much higher psychic powers than ordinary Psyduck would being capable of knocking down most pokemon with just one hit. That's in my book far more impressive than Munchlaxs strength.
Munchlax actually was shown to be a decent battler, compared to Psyduck who was awful when not under the effects of a headache. Munchlax beat Cacturne and Wigglytuff pretty much all by himself and lost to Octillery who was portrayed as a very well-trained Pokemon. Did Psyduck even get one non-headache induced win by his own merits? I honestly don't remember because I've never watched OS heavily.
That doesn't equate to Misty being a better trainer, because May and Iris have more experience than Ash and Dawn yet the latter two can prevail over the former in a battle.First things first. Misty had more experience as trainer and skill when Ash met her than Dawn or May had who started as typical beginners.
Misty knows a lot about types? Just like May, Ash, Dawn, Iris, Brock, Max, Paul, Trip, Georgia, see how that works?She already had three pokemon with herself, knew a lot about pokemon types and strategies having to actually teach Ash along with Brock about basics and how things work.
Honestly, Misty was hardly a coach to Ash. I don't quite understand where some people get this idea from, if anyone influenced Ash's skills as a trainer the most it's Dawn. Her Contest-y style of battle gave Ash the spin move, Counter Shield, Ice Aqua Jet, etc.Also we have to take in account how back than formula of anime was mainly focused on Ash with companion role lying in serving as coaches and mentors which guideline him how to become better, more skilled trainer.
I think it's more so because Misty was product of the times, a character who felt more thrown in because the writers need Ash to have a traveling companion and they went for the typical "Hotheaded, tsundere hidden love" archetype.
So it was to expect how Misty won't get as much fleshing out on herself and dreams like other girls did due to performing different role in show, with more active approach toward her dreams not being done until Johto. Along with fact how writing was different with not being out as much effort into battles and showing pokemon training on screen like we have chance to experience nowadays, and it becomes understandable why you may had low opinion on this.
Misty gets recognized by COTDs? Just like Ash, May, Dawn, Iris, etc.She was recognized by many like Koga,Marina,Trinity,Dorian as young and very promising trainer who could come very far one day.
Princess Contest-Jessie made it to the finals.Entered various competitions coming very far on first try(such as Whirl Cup, Seaking, Alto mare race, Princess contest),
Alto Mare Race-Movie race, even then I fail to see how that speaks volumes of Misty's strength as a trainer.
Whirl Cup-She only made it past Ash because of a Psyduck headache win and then got wrecked by Trinity fairly quickly, Corsola wasn't even on Chinchou's radar.
Seaking-Fishing competition, not a battle competition.
Just like Ash, May, Brock, Misty, Iris, Dawn, Tracey, etc.battled several older, more experienced trainers
Gym Leader at a young age? Just like Ash was offered the position of a Frontier Brain? Just like Iris being offered the position of Opelucid Gym Leader? Misty is a gym leader because she's one in the game and that's that.holds position of gym leader already at age of 10
Misty entered more formal trainer battles than May? I'm almost positive that wasn't the case.On top of that she constantly hone her skills, holds much more experience as trainer than May does entering more trainer battles. So yes, i don't think it would be understatement if say how i consider she would have higher chance in winning battle if she and May battled. Just like due to more experience and knowledge in other field such as contests i would give May edge.