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  • Brock

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Lets take a look at each character:
    With Misty.She served role as Ashs coach and mentor pointing out his mistakes,giving him tips when it comes to choice of using pokemon in some battles aswell what kind of pokemon types are good against other.
    She also provided moral support to him with her teasing remarks providing required push he needed to improve himself as trainer.
    She also acted like rival during some occasions with both characters pursuing relatively similar dreams(of wanting to become best trainers out there)with Mistys portrayal of being better trainer than he is invoking in Ash anger and motivation to go forward(like when they battled for Totodile or in Whirl Cup for example).

    Along with Brock Misty served as catalyst to help Ashs growth as trainer when he needed help the most during its rookie days with strong and deep friendship which was established between them leaving impact on his gradual change.

    Brock-left pretty big impact on Ash character too.His help during pokemon battles,great deal of knowledge serving as coach and mentor helped Ash a lot being able to learn basucs in pokemon battkles,He akso quite ofzten provided help in battling astrategies along withngiving him tips o how to taoe care of his pokemon.

    With May-it was more vice versa sort of case.In Hoenn Ash was already experienced and mature as trainer not being prone to making newbie mistakes allowing him to develop further his own style of battling without having need to rely so much anymore on others help or mentoring.This allowed him to take up mentor role toward May influencing her own contest style which later reflected during her performance in contests having more of a battling tone to it.

    With Dawn-her practicing for contests,perfecting attacks for appeals etc provided to Ash lot of knowledge starting to take his battling strategy on whole new dimension using some of things he learned in his future battles which was showed to be proven success.They also shared several similarities being able to relate to each other.However most of it was based on moral and friendly support not invoking some particularly big change in Ash character imo.

    From Max and Tracey-Ash barely learn anything new with no motivation or inspiration coming from their characters not leaving lot of impact on his character and battling style.Granted Tracey can be excused because of being in show for very short amount of time.

    On Dento and Iris i will stay neutral since both of them were so far part of show for relatively short period of time with BW series not giving us full picture yet.

    In nutshell characters which influenced Ash the most would be:Brock,Misty and to some notable extent Dawn.

    Characters which influenced Ash character and his battling style the least would be:Max,Tracey and to certain extent May.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellion View Post
    Misty wasn't the mentor that Brock was, nor did she learn anything from Ash. She wasn't a motivation for him, in that he was never inspired by her, or did she push him to surpass himself. I think Ash would be exactly the same person had it been just him and Brock during the original series.
    I have to disagree with you in here.Misty left big impact on Ash as trainer,her teasing about his battling skills and constant criticism served as push in Ash character to try harder wanting to improve himself.We can see that through several examples like wanting to prove that he is better than he gets credit for(like in that gym episodes from Orange Islands with Danny or Rudy for example where thanks to Mistys help Ash managed to put himself together with Squirtle learning hydropump).Or when he lost in Kanto league starting to selfpity himself being able to get out of depression thanks to Mistys encouraging and motivating speech.

    On top of that she often mentored him along with Brock about type weakness and what kind of approach he should tale toward certain pokemon with certain rivalry which was present between them invoking in Ash desire to try harder which later reflected on his battling style.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    If I were to say anyone, it would be Brock mostly by taking the number of contributions he's had over the number of episodes he's stayed rather than just a raw score.

    I question why Dawn's not in the pole, yeah Ash helped her more, but in that sense, he got a mentorship role so I wouldn't have voted for her anyway. As for May/Max, Max clearly contributed less than May, so he's bringing up her score.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    Why do people keep asking why are May and Max together? They were introduced in the same arc as siblings and left together.
    Iris and Cilan were introduced in the same arc, and I'm willing to bet both will be dumped at the same time. Of course, bringing into question a character's impact when they have yet to complete an entire journey is in itself ridiculous.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Outrage, This isn't 'who proportionally, compared to the length of time they've been on the show has impacted Ash's journey by having the largest percentage of instances of help during a period of time, compared to other characters'. This is who had the most impact - and that's Brock.

    Maybe this poll should be changed to 'vote if you think a character is boring'.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Yeah, people don't get the poll. If we're going simply by character screentime, nobody will deny that Dawn followed by May got the most screentime in their respective arcs than any other character.

    It's who impact ASH the most.

    Iris and Cilan were introduced in the same arc, and I'm willing to bet both will be dumped at the same time. Of course, bringing into question a character's impact when they have yet to complete an entire journey is in itself ridiculous.
    Iris and Cilan aren't siblings. I can imagine one without the other. You really think Max would exist at if May wasn't there? Of course not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    Iris and Cilan aren't siblings. I can imagine one without the other. You really think Max would exist at if May wasn't there? Of course not.
    You're exaggerating... Max could do stuff without May (hello Ralts ep) and May sure could do well without Max around (see AG1-2+DP)
    They're brother and sister, yeah... but each is a character by his/her own and not an extension of the other =\
    But why do I even bother when it's obvious you intentually did this.....

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Even though May was introduced 2 eps before Max, they were still treated as a set all the way through AG up until May returned in DP without him.

    For example, could you imagine May leaving the show but Max staying on? That would be bizarre. And likewise the writers could have dropped Max when Battle Frontier started, but they still kept him around for BF as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    treated as a set
    No, that's your usual made up craziness
    Max was Max, May was May, none of them was an extension of the other (and lol, when the writers couple the group to pairs, it was more Ash/May and Brock/Max...)

    could you imagine May leaving the show but Max staying on?
    Actually - yes, I can... if the writers really wanted to do it, they could easily do it... I can totally see Max in the DP group and it could work great... but it was simply too weird for a young kid to go with Ash instead of his sister, so the poor kid was just forced to go back to his parents (well both this reason + the real reason that they probably realized that a main character without Pokémon in a show called Pokémon - probably wasn't the best idea ever)

    And likewise the writers could have dropped Max when Battle Frontier started, but they still kept him around for BF as well.
    "BF" is pretty much Hoenn, you know... there was absolutely no reason why Max would randomly disappear

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    The least impact? Probably Tracey. Max was small but he was brilliant. No doubt about it. But when OS and Pokemon 2000 was going on, it was like he wasn't there. Pretty much like in DP with Brock. Only towards the end of the DP series when they were talking about Brock being a doctor was when I had noticed he was still in the group.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    This isn't about noticing a character, for the last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    Why do people keep asking why are May and Max together? They were introduced in the same arc as siblings and left together.
    Are Max and May conjoined twins? If not, they can and have existed without the other being there.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    All Misty impacted was this supposed "love" the Pokemon shippers. Sorry but she was written poorly therefore she has the least contribution
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardToRead View Post
    All Misty impacted was this supposed "love" the Pokemon shippers. Sorry but she was written poorly therefore she has the least contribution
    Not really Misty also acted like coach and mentor giving Ash some tips about choice of using pokemon(like vs Blaine,in Kanto league,vs Pryce) served as push to him and motivation to try harder with her criticism invoking in Ash desire to prove himself.Like when she managed to motivate Ash to get over his lost in Kanto league not allowing him to start self pity himself,when she helped him to get back on right track in battle vs Rudy in Oi with Squirtle learning hydro pump etc.
    She also kept him on ground giving him reality check when Ash used to act impulsively when being annoyed by Gary or starting to brag how he is better trainer than he really was.
    She also acted like rival during some occasions giving him moral support.

    I say that along with Brock she helped Ash to grow as trainer in original series the most.

    Also i respectively disagree that Misty was "written poorly".Some things in her story werent treated well(which is case with every character) like goal not getting enough focus but as supporting character overall she was treated good contributing to quality character interaction having several notable achievements getting some great development.

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    The motivation stuff is pretty generic. What Misty has contributed is basically what all of the other 5 have done throughout Ash's journey. The only difference is the other 5 has done more. Contests, rivarlies, backgrounds etc etc. Misty is just boring in my opinion. She is definitely the least impactful. She lacked the focus, story, and character due to the writing. Yes character was written poorly. Least developed characher. She iss the sidekick everyone loved except by a few others including me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardToRead View Post
    The motivation stuff is pretty generic. What Misty has contributed is basically what all of the other 5 have done throughout Ash's journey. The only difference is the other 5 has done more. Contests, rivarlies, backgrounds etc etc.
    There is difference between how she and others motivated Ash,With Dawn her influence was mostly along the lines of giving moral and friendly support encouraging Ash to go forward in his dreams starting to use some of techniques in battles she used when training pokemon for appeal round.
    With Brock it was mostly mentor-student relationship helping him how to prepare strategies and what type of pokemon t use in battles.

    With Misty there existed certain doze of rivalry and comedy with Ash with her portrayal of being "better trainer"causing in him anger and motivation wanting to prove he is better than her.We can especially notice that competitive fire between them when they battled to win same thing like in Totodile Duel,for Togepi or in Whirl Cup.Her critics and teasing questioning Ash skills served as catalyst through which he tried harder wanting to show himself as trainer in better light(we can see that on man occasions) at same time making sure to get him out of trouble keeping him on earth when glory used to hit him in head after achieving something not being realistic.

    In that aspect no one left much impact on Ash with Misty and Brock being more of coaches than any other traveling companion was.

    Misty is just boring in my opinion. She is definitely the least impactful. She lacked the focus, story, and character due to the writing. Yes character was written poorly. Least developed characher. She iss the sidekick everyone loved except by a few others including me.
    Least developed characters were Tracey,Max and Brock.And im interested to hear what kind of impact Tracey or even Max for that matter left on Ash?
    It certainly wasnt Misty who received more focus,character development and battling screen time.Misty had personality,her story was to become water pokemon master learning everything she can about type she loves,get over her complex of inferiority which was caused by sisters etc.

    Some things about her werent treated well not getting enough focus like her goal for example as i mentioned already but she contributed to dynamic chemistry within main group with her personality bringing humor, saving people lives,giving moral support to her friends teaching people to never give up from their dreams along with having several achievements like(saving whole town from destruction in Kanto,winning Princess festival,Seaking contest,coming top 8 in Whirl Cup etc) doing things.
    Over time she started to develop becoming fairly rounded character who showed multiple sides of personality getting over her complex of inferiority,learning how to become more patient not being so aggressive like she used to be,becoming better trainer and collecting some considerable pokemon.

    Thats not to say everything was treated well because obviously many things about Misty and story were left underdeveloped and unexplored but to be fair she had some great development with good writing being present. .
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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Is this question asking who had least impact on Ash's character while he was on his journey?
    If yes, then why treat May and Max as a set?
    Interactions of Ash/May and Ash/Max isn't even comparable. From what I've noticed so far in this thread, around 90% of those May/Max votes are for Max only.

    Quote Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132 View Post

    In nutshell characters which influenced Ash the most would be:Brock,Misty and to some notable extent Dawn.

    Characters which influenced Ash character and his battling style the least would be:Max,Tracey and to certain extent May.
    I disagree. May's imapact on Ash's character deserves to be in the league of Brock, Misty and Dawn, not in the league of Max and Tracey.
    It is evident from watching Kanto/Johto/OI and Hoenn. A significant shift in Ash's personality was noticed. He wasn't a immatured retarted brat like he used to be in earlier sagas. His silly boastful rants reduced. He had a young rookie trainer to accompany with, besides she did not like pokemon to begin with. This further increased the load of responsibilities on Ash's shoulder. It was totally a situation in which Ash was never exposed to. Later on it was pretty much the same case with Dawn, but let's not forget there was Brock too. Besides, Dawn wasn't afraid of pokemon to begin with.
    May had more flaws to begin with than Dawn. Ash assumed the mentor role to May which automatically induced maturity in himself(which ultimately affected his own personality). Of course Ash still had his old willingness to battle, never give up attitude but that was tempered with maturity in AG. Brock was with Ash in previous 2 sagas, Ash and Max hardly interacted, I don't think this shift in Ash's personality has anything much to do with the absence of Misty from AG cast.
    So, my conclusion is that it was May who indirectly brought this change in Ash's character during AG which was further noticed in Sinnoh.
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