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  • Iris

    24 23.53%
  • Cilan

    8 7.84%
  • Brock

    10 9.80%
  • May/Max

    42 41.18%
  • Misty

    13 12.75%
  • Dawn

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Croag View Post
    But they are in the poll, and they have had the least impact. So therefore they should get the most votes. It doesn't matter if they are new - that have had the smallest impact on Ash's journey.
    Then please, explain how they've made a smaller impact on Ash's jourmey than Max.
    It's been 35, allright, but I still can't see how they've made a smaller impact...

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Because Max was there for 195 episodes, and Cilan/Iris only 35. You know 'impact' can mean 'being with someone for a period of time'. If I was traveling with someone for a long time, they'd have a bigger impact on me no matter what they did.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Why are May and Max branded together? If they weren't, I'd say Max. As it stands, I'd say Cilan. Just because he doesn't really challenge Ash's personality or technique.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Why do people keep asking why are May and Max together? They were introduced in the same arc as siblings and left together.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    Why do people keep asking why are May and Max together? They were introduced in the same arc as siblings and left together.
    Because they played different roles and acted differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    Why do people keep asking why are May and Max together? They were introduced in the same arc as siblings and left together.
    So, that's makes them same person? It's just ridiculous.
    1. Satoshi/Ash Ketchum: 801 episodes
    2. Team Rocket: 736 episodes
    3. Takeshi/Brock: 633 episodes
    4. Kasumi/Misty: 282 episodes
    5. Hikari/Dawn: 201 episodes
    6. Haruka/May: 197 episodes
    7. Masato/Max: 192 episodes
    8. Iris: 141 episodes
    9. Dent/Cilan: 138 episodes
    10. Kenji/Tracey: 44 episodes

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    So, that's makes them same person? It's just ridiculous.
    Because they were treated as a set.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    To me, impact can mean that they were a mentor to Ash, a coach, that they were coached or mentored by Ash, or that Ash and that character motivated and influenced each other.

    Brock acted as the mentor figure in the original series. He taught Ash the basics of being a trainer, how to take care of pokémon, helped him come up with strategies. We see Dento sometimes fill that role in BW too.

    May and Max were definitely mentored by Ash, which to me impacted the character, as we saw him mature, be more patient, etc. By being faced with real beginners, Ash was sorta forced to be the teacher, to get his act together. I would also group Dento in that category too, since he has expressed desire into learning how Ash bonds with his pokémon, and we saw in BW019 that he thinks highly of Ash as a trainer. That's part of what I feel makes Ash/Dento's relationship so fun, is that they're teaching each other and helping out one another, though, I'd have to see where they're going with it.

    Dawn also impacted Ash a lot, by having someone as motivated as him, who experienced the same doubts as him, they could relate to one another and push each other to be better. Plus, they each inspired the other techniques and their style influenced one another, making both more versatile. They were there when the other was depressed after a loss.

    So yeah... that pretty much leaves us with Misty and Iris. Misty wasn't the mentor that Brock was, nor did she learn anything from Ash. She wasn't a motivation for him, in that he was never inspired by her, or did she push him to surpass himself. I think Ash would be exactly the same person had it been just him and Brock during the original series. Same with Iris, though we'll have to wait until we see more of BW to group her in that category. So far, I have to say Misty, but Iris might soon join her in that category.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    Why do people keep asking why are May and Max together? They were introduced in the same arc as siblings and left together.
    They were two separate characters with different reasons for traveling with Ash. Misty and Brock were introduced together before May and Max were, you wouldn't treat them as a package.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    They were two separate characters with different reasons for traveling with Ash. Misty and Brock were introduced together before May and Max were, you wouldn't treat them as a package.
    The difference is Misty and Brock weren't treated as a set. When one left the other didn't have to leave too. Misty stayed for Orange and Brock stayed after she went, they were never a set.

    Max only existed because of May, no other reason.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    The difference is Misty and Brock weren't treated as a set. When one left the other didn't have to leave too. Misty stayed for Orange and Brock stayed after she went, they were never a set.

    Max only existed because of May, no other reason.
    Well to me in the original series I would've disagreed about Misty and Brock. Now, I completely agree.

    As for May and Max, they weren't always treated like a package, and either way this has nothing to do with 'packages'. You asked who impacted Ash the least, and both of them had different kinds of impacts so the results would most likely be different if you could just seperate them.

    Moving on, I agree with Misty, sure she was great in the beginning, but it never seemed like she was all that much help to Ash. Just sort of a 'tag along friend'.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    Max only existed because of May, no other reason.
    With that logic, you could say that Misty only existed because of the bike. I don't care either way, I just don't see where you're coming from with this 'come as a set' thing.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellion View Post
    May and Max were definitely mentored by Ash, which to me impacted the character, as we saw him mature, be more patient, etc. By being faced with real beginners, Ash was sorta forced to be the teacher, to get his act together.
    I agree with almost everything you said. However, did Ash really mentor Max that much? The only time I recall him doing so was in the episode where he and May left (which wasn't as much mentoring as it was...comforting?).

    I know he inspired Max, but did that impact Ash in any way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd View Post
    The difference is Misty and Brock weren't treated as a set. When one left the other didn't have to leave too. Misty stayed for Orange and Brock stayed after she went, they were never a set.

    Max only existed because of May, no other reason.
    I don't think that means one can't affect Ash more than the other, though.

    Example:
    Assume you cannot drive. You catch a ride with a friend, and the two of you go to a party. You're shy, so you just sit and relax with some folk; your friend, on the other hand, is the life of the party. Because your friend drove you there, you cannot go home. Just because you're there with your friend and can't leave, does that still mean you both affected the party equally?

    In this case, you're Max, your friend is May, and the party is Ash.

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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Puppetmaster View Post
    I agree with almost everything you said. However, did Ash really mentor Max that much? The only time I recall him doing so was in the episode where he and May left (which wasn't as much mentoring as it was...comforting?).

    I know he inspired Max, but did that impact Ash in any way?
    I meant more in a character way. I was thinking of when Max stole the badge after Ash defeated Norman. OS Ash would have freaked, but AG Ash sorta took it easy and was more patient, more calm, more the grown up. But I totally agree that Ash didn't transmit any knowledge to Max, that was more Brock.

    In this case, you're Max, your friend is May, and the party is Ash.
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    Default Re: Which of Ash's friends made the least impact on his journey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellion View Post
    I meant more in a character way. I was thinking of when Max stole the badge after Ash defeated Norman. OS Ash would have freaked, but AG Ash sorta took it easy and was more patient, more calm, more the grown up.
    Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I see that more as a result of Ash's maturation, though, not a cause of it.

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