Thread: What tier will they be in?

Not sure where you have all been, but if you don't have a grass counter, Serperior spells good game with Leaf Storm.

^ Definitely. Base 113 Speed is really quite hard to outpace, that bulk comes in handy, and an increasingly powerful STAB Leaf Storm is something to be scared of. Good thing Contrary Serperior's restricted to the Dream World tier.

Originally Posted by Lazyboy0337

Not sure where you have all been, but if you don't have a grass counter, Serperior spells good game with Leaf Storm.

The problem is that carrying a Grass type counter is really not that hard, even without doing it on purpose. With the surge of Steel and Dragon types (Ferrothorn, Hydreigon, Dragonite, Salamence, Scizor, etc,) getting a Grass type counter is easier than ever. Serperior's abysmal movepool doesn't help at all.

Should point out that Ferrothorn and Scizor both die to HP Fire.

Originally Posted by SharKing

Should point out that Ferrothorn and Scizor both die to HP Fire.

Not the point though. The point is that with Serperior's awful movepool and Grass type counters being easy to come by, her uses are very limited.

Say you have HP Fire to counter Ferrothorn and Scizor. What do you do when you're faced with a Dragonite or a Salamence instead? Say you have HP Ice for Dragon and Flying types, then Scizor or Heatran show up.

Worse is that these aren't obscure checks and counters that you'll see once in a blue moon specifically to counter Serperior, these guys will be popping up everywhere and with alarming regularity. You really think Serperior is going to be able to keep up with his Leaf Storm (resisted by seven types, oh and Heatran) and his one HP of choice?

I have to agree with Envoy about this. Regardless of what Hidden Power Serperior uses, it will always be walled by some commonly-used Pokemon unless it somehow reaches +6 before its check switches in. DW Serperior is powerful, but it certainly isn't unbeatable.

Some of you thought Blaziken wouldn't be that effective in OU. Looks like the voters at Smogon disagree. As of now, Blaziken is UBER!

^ I knew that Speed Boost and Hi Jump Kick would make it fearsome in OU, but I didn't expect it to be Uber-fied. Not that surprised, though.

Originally Posted by Ranger Jack Walker

Some of you thought Blaziken wouldn't be that effective in OU. Looks like the voters at Smogon disagree. As of now, Blaziken is UBER!

...Seriously? I know why Garchomp was banned, and Salamence was a decent ban, but really, Blaziken?

I'm not surprised to see Blaziken go, to be honest, but I'm not sure how I feel about the decision. I'm sure that even more people will start using Excadrill now. Maybe I'll (GASP!) actually use the Smogon server for a while and see what happens.

For a twist: which gen 5 pokemon is the worse? Please no troll answers like Magikarp or Tynamo.

The early common Pokemon are really not good at all.

Originally Posted by Lazyboy0337

For a twist: which gen 5 pokemon is the worse? Please no troll answers like Magikarp or Tynamo.

How is Tynamo a troll answer? Weak stats, extremely limited movepool, effectively walled by Ground-types... this thing is inexcusably bad by itself. (Of course, Eelektross is pretty good.)

The worst fully-evolved Pokemon? I'm thinkin' Liepard. Good Speed isn't everything, as Electrode has proven. When your offenses, defenses, and movepool are all outright pathetic, you know you'll never succeed.

Swoobat is pretty awful. Unfezant deserves a special mention for a spectacular display of movepool/stat dissonance the likes of which haven't been seen since Gen IV screwed over Sceptile. Basculin is also pretty bad and Swanna and Seismitoad are both severely outclassed by Pokemon of other generations (Gyarados and Swampert respectively, for example.) Emolga and Stunfisk kinda suck too, as well as Liepard and Watchog.

There's a big contest on which of these is the absolute worst, but these Pokemon are all pretty bad. Gen V did have its duds, after all.

Originally Posted by Envoy

Swoobat is pretty awful. Unfezant deserves a special mention for a spectacular display of movepool/stat dissonance the likes of which haven't been seen since Gen IV screwed over Sceptile. Basculin is also pretty bad and Swanna and Seismitoad are both severely outclassed by Pokemon of other generations (Gyarados and Swampert respectively, for example.) Emolga and Stunfisk kinda suck too, as well as Liepard and Watchog.

There's a big contest on which of these is the absolute worst, but these Pokemon are all pretty bad. Gen V did have its duds, after all.

This is true, but I'm thinking osme of these might make a comeback later. I dunno, but you saying Sceptile reminded me of how it was very effective in the later stages of the metagame, simply because no one expected it and it was so fast.