Thread: Theorymonning: What if this Pokemon had...?

Originally Posted by CommandurrClowncrete

Originally Posted by Feliciano

@CommandurrClowncrete So? Darmanitan can stay up in OU while Flareon actually starts to get used in the lower tiers. I never said it had to compete with Darmanitan, but giving it access to Flare Blitz would at least give people a reason to use it in the lower tiers.

Here is the problem: Darmanitan is UU and Entei(another similar mon) is RU. Flareon isn't exactly gonna come out of Nu with that sort of competition.

@General Volcano

Conkeldurr can just mach punch absol. Or you mean that Conkeldurr should get speed boost?

I was listing counters that Absol can do nothing to...

But hey, what would Speed Boost Conkeldurr be like?

But I think Guts is the best ability Conkeldurr could ever have...

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Forget Speed Boost Conkeldurr, what about Moxie Conkeldurr?

Pure Power is the best ability Conkeldurr could have. XD

But Speed Boost Conkeldurr might be useful, if it can stall long enough to outpace anything.

Originally Posted by Scary Fish

Pure Power is the best ability Conkeldurr could have. XD

But Speed Boost Conkeldurr might be useful, if it can stall long enough to outpace anything.

Hmm...
Pure Power doubles the attack stat, which would mean burns only returns it to normal...

With this ability, I could very well hear Conkeldurr say: "CONKELDURR SMASH!!!"

Switching in on a Body Slam or something could give it a nice immunity to Burn, at the cost of its already-low Speed (plus one out of four turns, annoyingly).

Originally Posted by CommandurrClowncrete

Here is the problem: Darmanitan is UU and Entei(another similar mon) is RU. Flareon isn't exactly gonna come out of Nu with that sort of competition.

Wait, what? Darmanitan is UU? Since when? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu....

*sigh* Well, the point remains, Flareon needs some sort of decent physical fire move. Flame Charge isn't really gonna cut it. Jeez, if only FLAREON got Speed boost. Or literally any other Dream World ability besides Guts.

You would have wanted Truant? XD

Yeah, I personally think something like Sheer Force would have been nice. Then Fire Fang would be decent.

Sand Rush/Chlorophyll Cacturne?

Originally Posted by Blitzle

Sand Rush/Chlorophyll Cacturne?

Sand Rush Cacturne is one of the things that I wish Cacturne is, but for Chlorophyll, I guess there's Maractus, whose base stats are almost similar to Cacturne's, with slightly better bulk and Speed but Attack is not as good.

Anyway, about Sand Rush, I think Cacturne will love it because it simply has the movepool to use it. There's obviously Spikes, and then there is also the offensive moves it can use, like Seed Bomb and Focus Blast. Others include Disable, which is great if there's also Substitute, but the best way to use Sand Rush is obviously Destiny Bond. When it's done with its job, then it can proceed to threaten something with Destiny Bond.

Now what about if Golurk is Fighting/Ghost? I heard that it was originally the typing, although I don't see much evidence that this is true.

Thanks for reading.

I often get confused and think golurk is rock/ghost, he just looks way more rocky than groundy. But the typings that should've been go on forever, starraptor:flying/fighting, electivire:electric/fighting, luxray (not that its any good anyway but...): electric/dark, I also for some reason think haxorus should be dragon/bug, it wouldn't do any wonders for his defensive typing but giving him STAB Megahorn as an alternative to outrage might be interesting. Also how about a non fire/fighting starter sometime this decade?

Originally Posted by williamscaleb91

I often get confused and think golurk is rock/ghost, he just looks way more rocky than groundy. But the typings that should've been go on forever, starraptor:flying/fighting, electivire:electric/fighting, luxray (not that its any good anyway but...): electric/dark, I also for some reason think haxorus should be dragon/bug, it wouldn't do any wonders for his defensive typing but giving him STAB Megahorn as an alternative to outrage might be interesting. Also how about a non fire/fighting starter sometime this decade?

well, i think flygon is more bug like than haxorus.

haha i share the same sentiments regarding the fire-type starters.

It's usually the small differences that make the most differences, imo. I think the Machamp line getting Drain Punch is definitely reasonable and it provides more support for EvioChoke, which can be pretty good in the lower tiers.

Personally, Magic Bounce going to Girafarig over Espeon would be better, even though Girafarig may not be as good. It'd be a staple on BP teams though, and would also get used a bit more.

Sap Sipper Ursaring would be pretty useful, but not sure if its better than Guts or Quick Feet.

alright, me and angad have been talking about a magic guard volcarona. I think it will be broken, but i will ask you guys: will it be broken?

Originally Posted by CommandurrClowncrete

alright, me and angad have been talking about a magic guard volcarona. I think it will be broken, but i will ask you guys: will it be broken?

Nope. It would be ten times better without the glaring Stealth Rock weakness, and could maybe be able to pull off a Scarf set with U-turn, Fire Blast, Bug Buzz and HP? But yeah, even the classic QD set would be much better, and have extra perks like no sand/toxic damage, etc.

But, it would just make things like Ttar, Salamence, Swampert, Quagsire, Tentacruel, Dragonite, Gyarados and Rain teams that much better, provided Volca doesn't have the perfect Hidden Power for that particular mon and prediction. Would most likely have a large impact but it would be far from broken.

Volcarona still wouldn't be broken, but it would be better no doubt.

Originally Posted by Synthesis

Originally Posted by CommandurrClowncrete

alright, me and angad have been talking about a magic guard volcarona. I think it will be broken, but i will ask you guys: will it be broken?

Nope. It would be ten times better without the glaring Stealth Rock weakness, and could maybe be able to pull off a Scarf set with U-turn, Fire Blast, Bug Buzz and HP? But yeah, even the classic QD set would be much better, and have extra perks like no sand/toxic damage, etc.

But, it would just make things like Ttar, Salamence, Swampert, Quagsire, Tentacruel, Dragonite, Gyarados and Rain teams that much better, provided Volca doesn't have the perfect Hidden Power for that particular mon and prediction. Would most likely have a large impact but it would be far from broken.

Volcarona still wouldn't be broken, but it would be better no doubt.

Well, I am under the impression that Volcarona is best dealt with passive damage, but you have some good points here regarding coverage issues. lets see what the others think of it.

Volcarona is indeed very weak to all entry hazards, especially Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes, but Volcarona has more flaws then that. Volcarona's physical bulk is terrible, has iffy STAB combination (In OU anyway), and a somewhat shallow movepool. Obviously the good parts override the bad parts, but Volcarona has flaws which prevents it from much more common and broken.

Anyway with that out of the way, lets talk about Kyurem for a second. Personally I would be interested if Kyurem could learn Blue Flare and Bolt Strike considering its parallels to Reshiram and Zekrom. In theory these moves would really help out Kyurem on both attacking stats while giving improved type coverage. On the physical side Bolt Strike would compliment Ice-STAB moves and can decimate Water types that typically can handle Kyurem (shame it doesn't get Icicle Crash though). Blue Flare on the other hand would give Kyurem a very powerful special attack that would be much better to decimate Steel types, not to mention giving Kyurem near perfect coverage between Dragon and Fire moves.