Theorymonning: What if this Pokemon had...?

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

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Originally Posted by CommandurrClowncrete

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Originally Posted by Iteru

Dewgong (I'll give you a few minutes to stop laughing :P) has access to Encore + Disable. While this would likely be better in DP where Encore last longer, would Shadow Tag as an ability be enough to raise it out of NU? The idea is that the opponent is forced to keep using their Disabled move, and thus Struggle to death with no escape.

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Anything with Shadow tag will come out of NU, always. That said, the main problem that using encore+disable will be be dewgong's low speed and average bulk. Your opponent will have hit you atleast twice before this can be pulled off.

However, if dewgong does get shadow tag, the deadliest combination would be perish song + shadow tag.

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I'm pretty sure the goth thing has Shadow Tag and in NU.

But yeah, it'd be a better Perish-trapper. Seel might work with Eviolite, but even if it does work and your opponent doesn't switch you'll have to take two attacks which Ice types can't take unless you predict flawlessly.

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gothitelle has shadow tag but it is currently unreleased.

What if snorlax got slack off? Even better Gengar needs Nasty Plot

Both of those really need to happen, and why they haven't happened yet is WAY beyond me. Snorlax would shoot back up to OU, definitely.

Nah, the best snorlax set in OU is the cb set. That doesn't need slackoff. Snorlax is still scared of clowncrete and friends. I'm not sure how slack off can help there.

Now nasty plot Gengar would be great. Blissey will run scared as a +6 Focus blast hits it.

Timid / Leftovers / Levitate
4 Defense / 252 Sp. Attack / 252 Speed
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

Substitute makes absolute setup fodder out of Chansey, as well as Blissey without a Special attack. Imagine going up against Gengar with +2 Sp. Attack and a Sub. Scary.

i believe you forgot to mention the pokemon? unless thats the snorlax from before.

never mind, i saw the gengar. that's pretty good. even better if it got tail glow.

2 things about Rampardos: 1) rampardos with moxie. 2) Also gets bullet punch or mach punch. Game freak should doooo itt!!

How about Rampardos with pure power?

Priority would still wreck it, but with an Adamant nature, it would have an outright ridiculous 942 Attack without any setup whatsoever. That stat alone would at least get it out of NU. It would only need a Choice Scarf to be a competent wall-breaker and pseudo-revenge-killer.

Uh, guys. Snorlax definitely does not need Slack Off. One of my UU team's Snorlax gets Burned and Poisoned at least every second match, even when the opponent knows it will have Rest, just to try and get damage on it. That shows how much of an absolute tank it is. After a Curse, it can sit in comfortably and tank any and all hits from Physical and Special (barring STAB Fighting moves) with ease. Even if 'Lax got Slack Off, Rest would be much better, imo.

@AshK
@CommandurrClowncrete
@Scary Fish

on the subject of rampardos...

rampardos@choice band
252 attack / 252 defense / 4 speed
rock head
adamant
~head smash
~coverage
~coverage
~coverage

EDIT: commandurr always takes two tries.

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Originally Posted by soulless shadow

@AshK
@CommandurrClowncrete
@Scary Fish

on the subject of rampardos...

rampardos@choice band
252 attack / 252 defense / 4 speed
rock head
adamant
~head smash
~coverage
~coverage
~coverage

EDIT: commandurr always takes two tries.

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I like its spread but wouldn't you want a bit more speed??
for its coverage moves: You can breed double edge which will let it abuse rock head some more. If you are not able to do that then its take down should suffice for coverage related reasons. Hammer arm is good against steels if you don't breed double edge, but brick break should be a decent alternative. A potential 4th move could be zen headbutt but I think that would work better with a choice scarf since if its a bit faster it can flinch.

cool. i was just looking for the general idea, i wasn't up to it. you could also scarf it though.

Just one thing: Return >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take Down, even with Rock Head. Snip out the recoil, and you have a move with 90 power and, like, 85% accuracy if I remembering right; totally outclassed by 102 power and 100% accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Scary Fish

Just one thing: Return >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take Down, even with Rock Head. Snip out the recoil, and you have a move with 90 power and, like, 85% accuracy if I remembering right; totally outclassed by 102 power and 100% accuracy.

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Yeah - just make sure the pokemon using Return is always happy XDD