Thread: Battle Subway RMT

From the Smogon OU Dragonite analysis:

252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly is a faster spread that, after two Dragon Dances, outpaces Adamant Excadrill in the sand and Venusaur carrying Hidden Power Fire in the sun.

Other than that nothing really of importance is mentioned that you would need to outspeed/would be outspeeding, and you aren't going to be seeing Chlorophyll Venusaur at any time in the subway. I have seen Sand Rush Excadrill that ran Sand Storm/Swords Dance though and swept me, which was fun cause I wasn't expecting the computer to have such a good set up.

I've got Stockpile on my Gastrodon. Before set up certain pokemon are threats, after set up nothing can drop it except a crit from a Grass move. Stockpile once or twice, Recover, Stockpile for a third time and you are almost invincible.

Yeah, I really wish the Everstone had worked on that Dratini and it would have been Adamant. I went through the Smogon page, I guess max HP and Speed should work out alright. I will also have to train a clone of that Dratini with max Attack and Speed for Choice Band or Offensive DD, but Bulky DD seems like a safe bet for the Battle Subway.

Your Gastrodon set is cool, but I may try it without Stockpile so I can get another attack in there or something. Either way, we'll be using the same Gastrodon :p

You could always try with a Bulky DD Gyarados, or RestTalk Shuffler if Dragonite doesn't work out how you plan. Gastrodon is still taking the Thunderbolts, and you've got your flier.

The best part about using Gastrodon is that the computer will sit there and hit you with Water Pulse or Aqua Tail till you kill them. Free boosts, yes please!

If you need help or need to add it to the list of things to be shifted, I just realized I shifted it without all the egg moves, so I'll need the baby anyway.

Originally Posted by Elite Twit

You could always try with a Bulky DD Gyarados, or RestTalk Shuffler if Dragonite doesn't work out how you plan. Gastrodon is still taking the Thunderbolts, and you've got your flier.

The best part about using Gastrodon is that the computer will sit there and hit you with Water Pulse or Aqua Tail till you kill them. Free boosts, yes please!

If you need help or need to add it to the list of things to be shifted, I just realized I shifted it without all the egg moves, so I'll need the baby anyway.

Assuming that you mean a gyara with rest/sleep talk/dtail or roar/waterfall by "resttalk shuffler",I have to say that it won't work in the subway,since nobody is gonna set up entry hazards which make this set effective.

Alright, so I did a little testing with the new configuration. Other than getting my Gastrodon PP Stalled by a Mean Look Coffinghost, things went pretty well. Maybe I need to figure out a new set for Gastrodon, though. I'll update the first post with the new team! Dragonite has been MONEY. I wish he was Adamant, but he can set up on all kinds of stuff. Once he has a few boosts almost nothing can survive Outrage.

Originally Posted by Troggy

Alright, so I did a little testing with the new configuration. Other than getting my Gastrodon PP Stalled by a Mean Look Coffinghost, things went pretty well. Maybe I need to figure out a new set for Gastrodon, though. I'll update the first post with the new team! Dragonite has been MONEY. I wish he was Adamant, but he can set up on all kinds of stuff. Once he has a few boosts almost nothing can survive Outrage.

Scarf Max Attack Haxorus may sweep your team, so be careful. Try Toxic on Gastrodon.

Ahh...didn't know those were out there. I need to get a 5th gen Damage Calculator, do you think Outrage is a OHKO on 252 HP DNite after you factor in Multiscale? Toxic on Gastrodon is a good idea...maybe I could just get rid of Ice Beam?

Originally Posted by Troggy

Ahh...didn't know those were out there. I need to get a 5th gen Damage Calculator, do you think Outrage is a OHKO on 252 HP DNite after you factor in Multiscale? Toxic on Gastrodon is a good idea...maybe I could just get rid of Ice Beam?

I've heard of ScarfOrus being used just for that purpose. Has Ice Beam been useful?

Originally Posted by Troggy

Ahh...didn't know those were out there. I need to get a 5th gen Damage Calculator, do you think Outrage is a OHKO on 252 HP DNite after you factor in Multiscale? Toxic on Gastrodon is a good idea...maybe I could just get rid of Ice Beam?

If haxorus has mold breaker,it will just ignore multiscale and murder dragonite.

Good point Rutvik. I just searched through the list of Battle Subway Pokemon they have on Smogon, and I don't see any Scarf Haxorus. I do see one Jolly CB Haxorus though, which could be a problem.

Update. I've been testing out Ferrothorn in place of Gastrodon. It shares enough resists with Gastrodon, and is generally a punk to face. I am enjoying it so far, as it softens things up for DNite to come in and set up or kill them. Here is an updated roster:


BURST
Adamant nature (♂)
31/30/30/16/31/31
252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
~Superpower
~U-Turn
~Rock Slide
~Flare Blitz

I am testing out U-Turn instead of Earthquake because it's a great momentum move to have on a lead. It helps soften up bulky Pokemon that Darmanitan can't OHKO. Generally, if he can't wreck something, he's better off waiting to come back in later to clean up.


POST
Jolly Nature (♀) | Multiscale
31/31/29/x/31/31
252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Spe
~Dragon Dance
~Roost
~Earthquake
~Outrage

Fire Punch without Attack investment is pretty weak, and once you get a couple of DDs you can 2HKO frail Steel types with Outrage anyway. I believe at +2 Outrage 3HKOs Bronzong, so if the Lum Berry is still intact, you can even come out on top against Zong most of the time. Earthquake has done fine so far, adding good coverage just like Fire Punch does, and the higher base power helps Dragonite get more kills (Fire and Electric types) without locking into Outrage.


MULCH
Relaxed Nature (♀)
31/31/31/18/31/0
252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
~Power Whip
~Gyro Ball
~Thunder Wave
~Leech Seed

Ahh...the ubiquitous metal plant. Not having to use slots on entry hazards lets my Ferrothorn use both of her great STAB moves, as well as a duo of support moves. General protocol is Leech Seed and Paralyze anything that doesn't immediately threaten her. Then I can attack or switch to DNite to try and sweep. I have had to stall until Leech Seed sapped the enemy to death a few times, but I'd rather have that as an out than just be taking losses!

Only problem I have encountered so far is Quick Claw offensive Slowbro. However, I wouldn't have lost if Power Whip hadn't missed and Quick Claw hadn't activated multiple times. I'll just hope that was a fluke, and try to be more careful in the future. Slowking is a similar concern, but he uses the poor accuracy Focus Blast and is more vulnerable on the physical side.

Originally Posted by Troggy

Update. I've been testing out Ferrothorn in place of Gastrodon. It shares enough resists with Gastrodon, and is generally a punk to face. I am enjoying it so far, as it softens things up for DNite to come in and set up or kill them. Here is an updated roster:


BURST
Adamant nature (♂)
31/30/30/16/31/31
252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
~Superpower
~U-Turn
~Rock Slide
~Flare Blitz

I am testing out U-Turn instead of Earthquake because it's a great momentum move to have on a lead. It helps soften up bulky Pokemon that Darmanitan can't OHKO. Generally, if he can't wreck something, he's better off waiting to come back in later to clean up.


POST
Jolly Nature (♀) | Multiscale
31/31/29/x/31/31
252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Spe
~Dragon Dance
~Roost
~Earthquake
~Outrage

Fire Punch without Attack investment is pretty weak, and once you get a couple of DDs you can 2HKO frail Steel types with Outrage anyway. I believe at +2 Outrage 3HKOs Bronzong, so if the Lum Berry is still intact, you can even come out on top against Zong most of the time. Earthquake has done fine so far, adding good coverage just like Fire Punch does, and the higher base power helps Dragonite get more kills (Fire and Electric types) without locking into Outrage.


MULCH
Relaxed Nature (♀)
31/31/31/18/31/0
252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
~Power Whip
~Gyro Ball
~Thunder Wave
~Leech Seed

Ahh...the ubiquitous metal plant. Not having to use slots on entry hazards lets my Ferrothorn use both of her great STAB moves, as well as a duo of support moves. General protocol is Leech Seed and Paralyze anything that doesn't immediately threaten her. Then I can attack or switch to DNite to try and sweep. I have had to stall until Leech Seed sapped the enemy to death a few times, but I'd rather have that as an out than just be taking losses!

Only problem I have encountered so far is Quick Claw offensive Slowbro. However, I wouldn't have lost if Power Whip hadn't missed and Quick Claw hadn't activated multiple times. I'll just hope that was a fluke, and try to be more careful in the future. Slowking is a similar concern, but he uses the poor accuracy Focus Blast and is more vulnerable on the physical side.

I use a very similar team.
Ferrothorn@leftovers
std smogon distribution
Power whip
Leech seed
Protect
Spikes
Setting up spikes helps soften up targets and breaks sash and sturdy which annoy me a lot.


Chandelure@choice Scarf
Modest
252 spatk/252 speed
Flamethrower
Overheat
Energy ball
Shadow ball
Very fast very powerful.


Garchomp@Life orb
Naive
252 atk/252 speed
Swords dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Fire blast
Sweeper,does an excellent job.

I have problems with heatran though.I got to 47 wins till I lost due to a fire blast crit on chomp from heatran.

Originally Posted by Troggy

Only problem I have encountered so far is Quick Claw offensive Slowbro. However, I wouldn't have lost if Power Whip hadn't missed and Quick Claw hadn't activated multiple times. I'll just hope that was a fluke, and try to be more careful in the future. Slowking is a similar concern, but he uses the poor accuracy Focus Blast and is more vulnerable on the physical side.

Haha, that's funny. Fighting the AI must be tough if it trolls you like that.

I can't really comment about your team because I don't understand this metagame well enough. As far as I can tell, there aren't any major problems with it.

@Rutvik

Well, if it works well enough for you also, maybe Fire + Dragon + Ferrothorn is a decent way to go at the Subway. Maybe you should use Hidden Power Ground or Fighting on your Chandelure to make sure you cover Heatran? In all honesty I should probably try Chandelure > Darm since I have 3 physical pokes ATM. I may give that a go later, although Sheer Force boosted Flare Blitz is pretty great, and Darm is faster than Chandelure.

@Heathcliff Huxtable

Thanks for stopping by the thread. The AI / inherent hax can get pretty annoying at times, but my goal is just to have a solid BP collecting squad, not necessarily break anyone's records for wins. I would like to get high enough to start getting those bonuses, though.

Originally Posted by Troggy

@Rutvik

Well, if it works well enough for you also, maybe Fire + Dragon + Ferrothorn is a decent way to go at the Subway. Maybe you should use Hidden Power Ground or Fighting on your Chandelure to make sure you cover Heatran? In all honesty I should probably try Chandelure > Darm since I have 3 physical pokes ATM. I may give that a go later, although Sheer Force boosted Flare Blitz is pretty great, and Darm is faster than Chandelure.

I think i will go with fighting.Unfortunately, my current chandy's hp is dark(pretty useless).
However, chandy gives me the fighting immunity and also has flash fire to absorb the fire attacks directed towards ferrothorn.They work pretty well together.
and be careful of trick room slowbros.They have defeated me twice.