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    so did this project die?
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    Well, it's currently waiting for implementation on the Pokémon Online server.

    That's the only thing holding it back at this junction. Otherwise, it's actually pretty much completed.
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    Do we have the activity on the PO server to support this?
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    It may just be a timezone issue for me, but as far as I can see, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evkl View Post
    Do we have the activity on the PO server to support this?
    Not from what I know. But that won't stop us implementing it once we do have enough activity... right?

    Oh, that reminds me. We need to decide on a sample size for each tier, to determine percentages of usage and relative representation.
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    As far as I can tell, the PO server hasn't even been up for quite a while, though...
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    Well, when it gets up, then.
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    We have 2 servers right?

    Or is immewnity(sp?) only using his?

    Anyways did our server(s) have usage stats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sublime View Post
    We have 2 servers right?

    Or is immewnity(sp?) only using his?

    Anyways did our server(s) have usage stats?
    (sp is correct.)

    Even if they did, from what I've heard, they don't have nearly enough to actually create usage tiers.

    We need our sample size to be at least about 2500.
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    First off, we need people to know about this. Alot of people dont look at the very bottom of the forums regularly. they just stop scrolling at the battle center or contest hall or whatever. I think we should make this an announcement.

    Second off, in order to get activity, why don't we host an official tournament using these tiers. Do we have an initial ban list? If not we can call it Ubers but say matches must be played on the BMGF server.

    lastly, we need to get some way to make this thing be on the list of servers. Can the people with high uptimes on their computers make bots to stay online, so we have around 4 or 5 people on always, as this makes us around 6th or 7th in the list of servers. This attracts people, and with a link to this thread or a new thread with the polished concept in it, we can get people to join in on the effort, even those who have never been to BMGF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolking503 View Post
    First off, we need people to know about this. Alot of people dont look at the very bottom of the forums regularly. they just stop scrolling at the battle center or contest hall or whatever. I think we should make this an announcement.

    Second off, in order to get activity, why don't we host an official tournament using these tiers.
    I think we would get pretty far using Bulbanews. Maybe we can even give away an in-game prize for the winner or something? For instance, I have a legit shiny Oddish on emerald which I can clone indefinitely, migrate, and possibly donate it as a prize. But maybe someone has the same with a shiny bulbasaur? (because it's the site mascot and all) It would probably get even more people.

    Do we have an initial ban list? If not we can call it Ubers but say matches must be played on the BMGF server.
    Maybe we can vote on that? Because ubers kinda keep each other in check anyway, so I don't think we should start with allowing everything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by coolking503 View Post
    lastly, we need to get some way to make this thing be on the list of servers. Can the people with high uptimes on their computers make bots to stay online, so we have around 4 or 5 people on always, as this makes us around 6th or 7th in the list of servers. This attracts people, and with a link to this thread or a new thread with the polished concept in it, we can get people to join in on the effort, even those who have never been to BMGF.
    I can just go on it whenever my computer's on. Anyone else willing to do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sazand*ra View Post
    (sp is correct.)

    Even if they did, from what I've heard, they don't have nearly enough to actually create usage tiers.

    We need our sample size to be at least about 2500.
    I see. At least we do have usage stats.
    Quote Originally Posted by coolking503 View Post
    First off, we need people to know about this. Alot of people dont look at the very bottom of the forums regularly. they just stop scrolling at the battle center or contest hall or whatever. I think we should make this an announcement.
    I could post a thread+announcement in the Battle Center if everyone wants.

    Second off, in order to get activity, why don't we host an official tournament using these tiers. Do we have an initial ban list? If not we can call it Ubers but say matches must be played on the BMGF server.
    If people would be interested in a Spring/Summer BMGf tourney I wouldn't mind. The problem would be getting prizes imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolking503 View Post
    Second off, in order to get activity, why don't we host an official tournament using these tiers. Do we have an initial ban list? If not we can call it Ubers but say matches must be played on the BMGF server.
    The Four Star Mon algorithm (I'll be calling it that from now on; it's going to be implemented on Four Star Mon's own competitive battling ladders when those get set up) doesn't support ban lists. It's up to the tier list using the system (i.e. Bulbagarden) and the individual tournament to determine which tiers are "banned".

    Also, if we are going to organize a tournament, I think we need it to be free-for-all so that the Ubers get put in their place. We don't have usage stats yet, remember. If we have an a priori banlist, some Pokémon that should rightly be in higher tiers will never make it there.
    Last edited by Zekurom; 8th April 2011 at 11:59 AM.
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    I'm already planning another tournament. We can easily do it on PO
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