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    Basically, I have two suggestions for this forum.
    One of them is a rom hacking section like PokCommunity's but easier to navigate, and the other is a game development forum.
    Basically, there are a series of popular game engines. RPG Maker XP, RPG Maker VX, RPG Maker VX Ace, IG Maker among several others. In RPG Maker XP, there is a starter kit called "Pokemon Essentials" (Which I think may be the main motivation to start up this section) that lets you create a Pokemon game from scratch. The other game engines have no such system as of yet, but it's being worked on.
    So, Bulbagarden, I come to you to request that we have a Rom Hacking section and a general Game Development section.
    What do you think?

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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by skaraflame View Post
    Basically, I have two suggestions for this forum.
    One of them is a rom hacking section like PokCommunity's but easier to navigate, and the other is a game development forum.
    Basically, there are a series of popular game engines. RPG Maker XP, RPG Maker VX, RPG Maker VX Ace, IG Maker among several others. In RPG Maker XP, there is a starter kit called "Pokemon Essentials" (Which I think may be the main motivation to start up this section) that lets you create a Pokemon game from scratch. The other game engines have no such system as of yet, but it's being worked on.
    So, Bulbagarden, I come to you to request that we have a Rom Hacking section and a general Game Development section.
    What do you think?
    No. We will not have sections on Bulbagarden entirely dedicated to copyright violation.
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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by Werdnae View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skaraflame View Post
    Basically, I have two suggestions for this forum.
    One of them is a rom hacking section like PokCommunity's but easier to navigate, and the other is a game development forum.
    Basically, there are a series of popular game engines. RPG Maker XP, RPG Maker VX, RPG Maker VX Ace, IG Maker among several others. In RPG Maker XP, there is a starter kit called "Pokemon Essentials" (Which I think may be the main motivation to start up this section) that lets you create a Pokemon game from scratch. The other game engines have no such system as of yet, but it's being worked on.
    So, Bulbagarden, I come to you to request that we have a Rom Hacking section and a general Game Development section.
    What do you think?
    No. We will not have sections on Bulbagarden entirely dedicated to copyright violation.
    *Reads Skaraflame's post. Disregards half of it*

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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    No, he did not "disregard half of it," because you say yourself in the original post that the main motivation for starting up a game development forum would be to infringe on Game Freak's intellectual property.

    And in any case, this topic does not belong in the Bulbawiki forum.

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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by Umeko View Post
    No, he did not "disregard half of it," because you say yourself in the original post that the main motivation for starting up a game development forum would be to infringe on Game Freak's intellectual property.

    And in any case, this topic does not belong in the Bulbawiki forum.
    No, I'll break it down.
    1. Rom hacking section [Which is now a certain no no].
    2. Original games made with legit engines like RPG Maker XP (which can be used to create a Pokemon game from scratch).

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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    And let me point out to you where you quite clearly implied that the main draw to the general game dev forum would be creating original Pokemon games.

    Quote Originally Posted by skaraflame View Post
    In RPG Maker XP, there is a starter kit called "Pokemon Essentials" (Which I think may be the main motivation to start up this section) that lets you create a Pokemon game from scratch. The other game engines have no such system as of yet, but it's being worked on.
    Emphasis mine.

    I would not be opposed to a general game dev forum, as an aspiring game designer myself, but there would have to be STRICT rules against using or promoting dev kits for infringing on Game Freak's (or anyone else's, really) intellectual property. And frankly, it may be more trouble than it's worth to enforce that.

    And again, this is not the place for this topic.

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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    To further clarify: The use of copyrighted materials including, but not limited to, Pokemon, Pokemon names and/or Pokemon mechanics in a game, regardless of the type of game, is infringing on the copyright of Nintendo. Using copyrighted materials in an original game is still copyright violation.

    I did not disregard any of your post. Both of the proposed sections are copyright violation.
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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    Fair enough. General Game Dev would just not include anything developed in Pokemon Essentials. Shame really, some great games have been made in that.

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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    Just thought I'd comment since I'm reading this. I do wonder why Nintendo hasn't taken any action against pokecommunity for ROM hacking. I can understand not allowing links to illegal distribution of ROMs, but if they were serious about preventing hacking, Nintendo would have forced the staff to shut down that section of Pokecommunity long ago.

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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    It's because of our association with a major site like Bulbapedia.

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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    Adding, there's no good reason for us to run that risk. Sure, it's probably just a takedown notice if it catches Nintendo's attention. But what if Nintendo decided to get serious and file civil or criminal charges against the owners and staffers of Bulba? There's just no good reason I should expose myself to that kind of liability and I can't ask it of any of my colleagues here. I don't think that's fair to them. So we aren't going to be allowing ROMs, either extant or designed to create new Pokemon games that infringe on Nintendo's IP.
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    Default Re: Ok, two suggestions

    It's worth noting here also that Nintendo has previously shut down a game project that was developed by Bulbagarden. The original Pokémon Online (POL) was brought to a halt back in 2000 (or was it 2001?) after receiving a C&D letter.

    PokéCommunity might be able to get away with it, but there's greater expectations of Bulba to set a good example.
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