Thread: Venusaur vs Torterra

Originally Posted by Hide in Plain Sight

this. grass types suck. I've never used either and never will because they are both the worst starters in their respective gens. If I had to pick one, I'd pick Venusaur just because Torterra is a copy.

That's a little harsh, don't you think? I don't think Grass types suck. In fact, it's my favorite type.

Oh, and speaking in-game, Venusaur's the best starter choice in Kanto. Competitively, it's used a lot more than the ever popular Charizard and even more than Blastoise.

Torterra's more or less as useful as Infernape and Empoleon in-game, though I'll admit he's kinda inferior competitively (damn Ice-weakness.)

Originally Posted by Ryuutakesh!

Torterra wins them all.

I concur.

Originally Posted by Hide in Plain Sight

this. grass types suck. I've never used either and never will because they are both the worst starters in their respective gens. If I had to pick one, I'd pick Venusaur just because Torterra is a copy.

That logic was broken down already. There are quite a few very good grass types in OU/BL, including Celebi, Breloom, Roserade, Shaymin, and (to a lesser extent) Abomasnow.

And Blastoise is the worst 1st gen starter. As for 4th gen, Torterra may be the worst starter of the three, but only because both Infernape and Empoleon are massively good. It's certainly not the worst starter over all...that'd be Meganium. XD

Originally Posted by RAcast_Blaster

That logic was broken down already. There are quite a few very good grass types in OU/BL, including Celebi, Breloom, Roserade, Shaymin, and (to a lesser extent) Abomasnow.

And Blastoise is the worst 1st gen starter. As for 4th gen, Torterra may be the worst starter of the three, but only because both Infernape and Empoleon are massively good. It's certainly not the worst starter over all...that'd be Meganium. XD

You're mileage may vary. It seems a lot of people consider Empoleon the worst.

Originally Posted by Ryuutakesh!

You're mileage may vary. It seems a lot of people consider Empoleon the worst.

And they'd be wrong. Agility Subpetaya Empoleon is beastly. If you can get that set up (and it's not terribly difficult late game with a bit of prediction) it's a fantastic late-game sweeper. It's OU for a reason.

Originally Posted by Hide in Plain Sight

this. grass types suck. I've never used either and never will because they are both the worst starters in their respective gens. If I had to pick one, I'd pick Venusaur just because Torterra is a copy.

Torterra is a copy? Righhttt

Originally Posted by Dr_Robotnik

Torterra is a copy? Righhttt

I knew I was forgetting to address something when I was writing my reply to that post. XD Indeed, how in the world is Torterra a copy of Venusaur? It's more like the child of a Squirtle and a Trapinch (well, Turtwig moreso, buuut yeah). XD

Aesthetically, I like Torterra (because of the tree and mountains on its shell).

Competitively, I don't really know.

Originally Posted by Dr_Robotnik

Torterra is a copy? Righhttt

Grass type starter... foliage on the back... stands on four legs... lizard / dinosaur looking... seems pretty similar to me.

And about Venusaur being the most useful Gen 1 starter, that's not entirely true.

While Venusaur is the most useful in game for the early portions (the first half), Charizard and Blastoise are more useful for the second half of the game and the E4

Originally Posted by Hide in Plain Sight

Grass type starter... foliage on the back... stands on four legs... lizard / dinosaur looking... seems pretty similar to me.

And about Venusaur being the most useful Gen 1 starter, that's not entirely true.

While Venusaur is the most useful in game for the early portions (the first half), Charizard and Blastoise are more useful for the second half of the game and the E4

We're talking about competitive battling. >_> The only subject that matters when comparing pokemon.

Originally Posted by Hide in Plain Sight

While Venusaur is the most useful in game for the early portions (the first half), Charizard and Blastoise are more useful for the second half of the game and the E4

Again, not completely true. Venusaur's only weak to two of the eight Gym Leaders and has a type advantage against the last one. It also has a type advantage (albeit unofficial) against Lorelei and a neutrality to Bruno and Agatha. Of the Elite, only Lance and Rival completely wall it.

I don't know competitively, but while Venusaur's design is a little better, I like Torterra's typing. On my currently only save of Platinum, I started with Turtwig.

Competitively, Venusaur is actually better. Ice Moves are quite common. Venusaur has a nice physical move in the form of Power Whip. Gamewise, Torterra is actually slightly better since it helps resist more gym leaders.

Based purely on aesthetics it has to be Torterra. But I prefer Venusaur in battle.

*facepalm*

There is a thing called "Yache Berry". Learn to use it. With that, Torterra wins. And STFU all of you people who are insulting grass.