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    Default Re: Venusaur vs Meganium

    Now, I may just be making this up, but I think that the Pokemon franchise mainly caters (catered?) to young boys, which is why we have an overabundance of male looking Pokemon and a shortage (by comparison) of female looking ones.
    Notice there was only a male player until coincidentially Crystal.
    Why is this important? Think of how the starters are associated. Most people picked Typlosion and associate it with Gold, leaving Feraligatr to Silver. Meganium is forgotten aside and then associated with Crystal.
    Perhaps if diferent playable characters existed in R/B, Meganium wouldn't necesarially be the girly choice.

    That said, I don't think it not being MANLY has really much to do outside of a loud minority. Pokémon nowadays is played mostly by people who are mature enough and by children. The only ones that would hold anything against it not being MANLY would be those that originally played gold and silver when kids.

    Its problem though comes mainly from it not being particularly good in a competitive-obsessed fandom and having a horrible movepool indeed.
    It is also a grass type, and people don't like grass types.


    But I don't really want to talk about how people dislike Meganium. So I'll go back to how I like it and Venusaur.

    In battling in general Venusaur does much better. But Venusaur wasn't always so good. Sure, better than Meganium still, but the gen. IV attack split did wonders for the thing. It's movepool is also very good and while I try to say Meganium is pretty versatile, it has nothing to do against Venusaur.

    In design even, I'd say Venusaur is the better. Meganium's design isn't much when you look at it, but Venusaur's is really interesting both in apperance and concept. It is also the better evolution. (Though I like Ivysaur and Bayleef more)

    ... However I can't help it but preffer Meganium. I preffer the way it plays, having a supportive main character isn't exactly common.

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    Default Re: Venusaur vs Meganium

    Im a huge advocate AGAINST the grass type, especially monograss cause they have WAY to many weaknesses vs tons of guys that resist them, truthfully i like meganiums design way more than venasuars (he just looks like a creeper) but truthfully i dont think id use either one of them unless under dire conditions, however im also way more into damage spiking pokemon and these guys are more defense oriented so they just rub me the wrong way to begin with.

    Anyway the final decision is guess is meganium, just cause hes cooler lookin
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    Default Re: Venusaur vs Meganium

    Venusaur. He has a better movepool and his stats are better.

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    Default Re: Venusaur vs Meganium

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonlight Umbreon View Post
    They do have their uses, but at the end, most grass types don't prevail at the metagame. Is it common to find a venusaur or a meganium when playing Shoddy or NetBattle?No. What i'm saying is that they're weaked if compared to stronget pokémon more used in the metagame.
    Point. But I would like to say that Venusaur's presence depends on the tier you're playing. In UU, you'll be hard pressed to find a team that doesn't use Venusaur. Furthermore, if we're going by tiers, Venusaur is the fourth best Starter of the fourth Gen (after the monkey, Swampert and Empoleon). Better than Typhlosion, Feraligatr, Blastoise, Charizard, Sceptile, Torterra and Blaziken. He's certainly one of the better overall Starters and one of the better overall Grass types.

    Keep in mind while judging the usefulness of Grass types in the competitive environment that other, more popular and "better" types, like Fire and Ice, have less representatives in both OU and UU than the Grass type does.

    As for Meganium, she could very well be the worst Starter up to Gen IV (I strongly believe that she's better than all the Unova choices), but she's still and excellent Grass type in her own right, a fantastic supporter and, towards the end of the Gen IV metagame, a force to be reckoned with in NU. As I've previously stated, the problems with Meganium are her horrible movepool and being outclassed by better Pokemon. She herself is rather useful. Moreso than Jaroda, in my honest opinion.

    Now, Gen V comes along and gives Meganium the shaft, again, but Venusaur got a ton of new buffs to toy around with. He now has a much stronger Petal Dance, a buffed up Growth, the Dream World ability Chlorophyll (between Growth and Chlorophyll, he gets the equivalent of an Agility, Swords Dance and Nasty Plot boost while under the sun) and Drought Ninetales as new best friend. Venusaur has really become a monster this Gen and other Grass types are struggling to keep up. Sceptile, for example, got a good ability that he didn't need. Torterra's and Meganium's abilities are useless for them and while Roserade and Breloom got good stuff, they're still better off with their Gen IV toys. Venusaur is quickly becoming one of the best Grass types in the game. I can easily see him capping out in BL or OU this Gen.

    Meganium, at the very least, got to be better than Jaroda, Daikenki and Embuoh and she still has her niches almost copmletely untouched. She is still one of the best Aromatherapy user in the game and she does still have excellent bulk, making her a solid choice for a bulky Grass type. You can bet that Meganium will cap out at least in UU if Venusaur is bumped up a tier or two.
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    Default Re: Venusaur vs Meganium

    @Grass Type Trainer

    This must have been the toughest choice for you.^^

    Anyway. I voted Meganium. Let me be honest. I like the venusaur line. but i prefer meganium more than venusaur for its cute looks and design, though its bulba > chiko.

    Meganium is a very under-rated mon. It can be used as a sweeper, tank, etc. etc. lol, people talk about its shallow movepool but it actually has access to eq, sd, return, outrage, dragon tail, the dual screens and gems like synthesis and aromatherapy. It is one of the few sd sweepers not messed up by status at all. It is not Ou material. At all. but it is definitely better than mons like cherubi or sunflora.
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    @Lord Clowncrete You have no idea how hard it was for me to click the Venusaur button in the poll. I felt like a little piece of me was dying inside.
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    Default Re: Venusaur vs Meganium

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Clowncrete View Post
    Meganium is a very under-rated mon. It can be used as a sweeper, tank, etc. etc. lol, people talk about its shallow movepool but it actually has access to eq, sd, return, outrage, dragon tail, the dual screens and gems like synthesis and aromatherapy. It is one of the few sd sweepers not messed up by status at all. It is not Ou material. At all. but it is definitely better than mons like cherubi or sunflora.
    Meganium's problem is that its a jack-of-all-stats in a game where specialists rule. Its able to do everything at the cost of not being able to excel at anything. This curse affects most Gen I and II Pokemon because its clear that Competitive battling was not taken into account too much when Game Freak assigned stats and movepools. Being good at everything works very well in most competitive games but in Pokemon which is a team-building game, the limitations of being a jack start showing. Most players would rather have assign dedicated roles to their POkemon (and rightfully so) Being a jack only works in the lowest tiers where most of the pokemon suck.

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    Default Re: Venusaur vs Meganium

    I go with Venusaur for the better typing, movepool, and DW ability than Meganium, who is restricted to being a wall/supporter, which is not a good rank for starter standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Jack Walker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Clowncrete View Post
    Meganium is a very under-rated mon. It can be used as a sweeper, tank, etc. etc. lol, people talk about its shallow movepool but it actually has access to eq, sd, return, outrage, dragon tail, the dual screens and gems like synthesis and aromatherapy. It is one of the few sd sweepers not messed up by status at all. It is not Ou material. At all. but it is definitely better than mons like cherubi or sunflora.
    Meganium's problem is that its a jack-of-all-stats in a game where specialists rule. Its able to do everything at the cost of not being able to excel at anything. This curse affects most Gen I and II Pokemon because its clear that Competitive battling was not taken into account too much when Game Freak assigned stats and movepools. Being good at everything works very well in most competitive games but in Pokemon which is a team-building game, the limitations of being a jack start showing. Most players would rather have assign dedicated roles to their POkemon (and rightfully so) Being a jack only works in the lowest tiers where most of the pokemon suck.
    Inorite? Thier focus shifted to battling after pokemon emerald. But still meganium is better than quite a few Pokemon and definitely better than the credit is given. One of the better uses of Meganium(it is not sd mega which i love but still) I have seen is in this warstory where the rival used meganium pretty well as a pivot.
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    @Pikmin1211; Pokemon Online has options for all but rotation battles. None of those you listed are competitive metagames though except Cresselia championships... I mean VGC.

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    Venusaur. Favourite Kanto/Grass starter, good Chlorophyll abuser, and I hate Meganium. :D

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    I really like Meganium's defenses and design, but I'll go with Venusaur because it is half-poison.
    I don't really like both actually.

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    Default Re: Venusaur vs Meganium

    I wish I could say good things about Meganium, but I have never had good memories with Meganium... so I pick Venasaur - at least it's poison typing makes it have a more diverse move pool.

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    Venusaur by a long shot. Better typing, better movepool.
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